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#16 Inimicus

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:04 AM

Hurney

After a decade of more misses than hits its time to move on.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:08 AM

Depends, is JR going to have final say on personnel? If yes then I fire the H.C. However if the Big Cat is willing to step back and let a competent GM do their job then I fire Hurney today!

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:08 AM

Do I honestly have to answer this question?

Starts at the top.

We are a team laden with talent in the wrong places. We are continually up against the cap year in and year out, and have had a very bad last 3 years.

Bring in a true football mind, and let him shake things up. If RR is not the guy, a new GM can make that change. However a new coach could not fire Hurney if he is the root of this abysmal football team.

Keep the core together. Well the core is not very good Marty.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:08 AM

Well here's the deal. I personally think firing Hurney will not do as much immediate good as firing Rivera would. I want us to turn this around as quick as possible. Rivera is proving week in and week out he is not capable of properly utilizing our highest paid players. The amount of guranteed money Hurney has dished out can't be undone at this point. Those players have talent and the right coach would be wise to get the most out of what he was to work with.

If you fire Hurney we are still in cap hell. No new GM is going to have much cap space to work with and will have to do a full blown rebuild and that could take some time because of the money already committed.


The head coach would probably turn things around faster but I'd rather replace someone who would turn it around possibly more slowly but more likely in a lasting manner. I agree that getting a good quality GM in place would take longer but I think it would be an overall better end product.

You could possibly give the new GM, who would inherit a cap problem, leeway until after he can offload / let expire contracts that he doesn't want / we shouldn't have and get past the job not being the most desirable in the world.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:10 AM

Well if the GM goes, so potentially do the other two too. I could see Hurney stepping down after this season.

The big questions are:
-are there better GM's out there?
-If we do get a new head coach (I think Rivera is going to get at least three seasons- but I bet McDermott gets the axe this year), do we dip into the college wheel or keep with our Fox philosophy of finding an up and coming coordinator?
-How can we make a decision on the scouting department? Maybe Hurney and Rivera are overriding their decisions, essentially option E: more information needed to answer that question

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:12 AM

The head coach would probably turn things around faster but I'd rather replace someone who would turn it around possibly more slowly but more likely in a lasting manner. I agree that getting a good quality GM in place would take longer but I think it would be an overall better end product.

You could possibly give the new GM, who would inherit a cap problem, leeway until after he can offload / let expire contracts that he doesn't want / we shouldn't have and get past the job not being the most desirable in the world.


don't get me wrong, I am over defending Hurney. But whats the point in getting a new GM if you know he's going to keep Rivera?

In all honesty, the op did not give the option but I think you if your going to clean house then you need to clean house. I would have actually been okay with firing Hurney when we fired fox and starting fresh but can't change the past.

So my approach from there was to give Hurney a clean slate with his new head coach. So I gave himk a clean slate but the 2 do not seem to be on the same page.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:14 AM

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:14 AM

Without picking sides does anyone think Hurney/Rivera seem to be in sync or working in harmony on the personell of this team?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:16 AM

don't get me wrong, I am over defending Hurney. But whats the point in getting a new GM if you know he's going to keep Rivera?

In all honesty, the op did not give the option but I think you if your going to clean house then you need to clean house. I would have actually been okay with firing Hurney when we fired fox and starting fresh but can't change the past.

So my approach from there was to give Hurney a clean slate with his new head coach. So I gave himk a clean slate but the 2 do not seem to be on the same page.


Thing is I don't know that a new GM will keep Rivera. In fact I think it's highly likely that a new GM comes in here we have a new coach within a year if not at the exact same time. With that comes a whole new staff. Replacing the GM effectively is the "clean slate" option...because in all likelihood they're gonna want their guys in here, not to be the GM for a team full of staff they may or may not believe in.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:17 AM

Without picking sides does anyone think Hurney/Rivera seem to be in sync or working in harmony on the personell of this team?


I don't think any part of this organization that's responsible for personnel is working as intended.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:21 AM

I'd fire Chud before McDermott and Rivera. Rivera before Marty, but Marty has to go with Rivera.

All hell, I'll fit them all.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:26 AM

don't get me wrong, I am over defending Hurney. But whats the point in getting a new GM if you know he's going to keep Rivera?




What's the point in firing Rivera if Hurney has no ability to manage a roster? Get a guy who has a real vision of running a team and let him evaluate Rivera. You can always make that change but the GM spot is the foundation. You need to get that correct or you will continue to make the blunders we have seen and continue to have large talent gaps.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:33 AM

Two losing records with two different coaches. Its clear that Hurney needs to be fired and the next GM allowed to do what he sees fit. The probilty of this happing... 10% The likely hood of JR and Hurney blaming a young team and injuries... 100%

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:38 AM

Rivera is going to let Chud get him fired anyway. How can you be an ex player/ defensive guy, and sign off on this read option BS.

I may keep Marty, but only because I fear they'll replace him with the Bears old GM.

#30 Bj-Monster23

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:38 AM

If I had a chance to fire someone at this moment it would be Marty Hurney. To be honest about it Hurney should of been fired when the Panthers let John Fox go. I rather let the new GM make the decision on whether Rivera should follow or not. If this case present its self in the near future their is a good chance Rivera could follow.


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