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#16 Kidcarolina

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:19 PM

I think a lot of our 3 and outs are coming from runs on first and second down out of the read option. If we pass a little bit more often we might be more successful getting first downs. Also I haven't seen many WR screens, I wonder why that is.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:29 PM

Also I haven't seen many WR screens, I wonder why that is.


because newton struggles to throw the short/intermediate routes.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:43 PM

29th in time of possession, mostly because of...
24th in 3rd down conversions (34%) and some of...
27th in turnovers (-5)

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:11 PM

What? Nooo. Most likely he has so few attempts because we can't keep drives alive and then our defense lets the other team dink and dunk up the field. Our time of possession is terrible. The answer isn't "throw maor."

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:24 PM

Raw pass/run numbers aren't as telling as percentages of pass plays to our offensive plays.

We have 140 pass attempts vs 128 rushes...so we already are passing more than rushing....and some rushes were called passes.

For example, Miami is 16th in pass attempts vs us as 29. Miami runs more than they pass

#21 MemphisGambler

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:01 PM

Raw pass/run numbers aren't as telling as percentages of pass plays to our offensive plays.

We have 140 pass attempts vs 128 rushes...so we already are passing more than rushing....and some rushes were called passes.

For example, Miami is 16th in pass attempts vs us as 29. Miami runs more than they pass


We really miss Shockey (He could also block). Tall target that Cam utilized well. I would like to see us go to some 2 back sets and get out of the shotgun some to change things up. Cam needs to dump the ball off more as well and go to Olsen. Of course, our RBs have to catch the ball. Smitty, DLo, Stewart and the OL were collectively bad last week. I don't think our percentages as far as running versus passing are a problem. His confidence will improve if he starts completing more passes. Chud needs to wake up. We have players that can make plays if the playcalling enables that to happen.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:46 AM

This team needs to stop treating Cam like a "black quarterback", and just let him play quarterback.


Way to address the elephant in the room buddy. Jake Locker is athletic too, but you don't see the Titans running a read option. We ran those plays less than twenty times last year, and it is our base offense. Mr. Chud is personally engineering Cam's sophomore slump.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:53 AM

I'd love to see the numbers to show how many times we've done the option thing. I completely agree it's being overdone but I don't think it's used so much that it's actually our base offense. I question whether that is a term that got thrown out and now it's just being run with....

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:11 AM

I'd love to see the numbers to show how many times we've done the option thing. I completely agree it's being overdone but I don't think it's used so much that it's actually our base offense. I question whether that is a term that got thrown out and now it's just being run with....

agreed. the option isn't killing the offense. it's the play calling and execution of the players that has been the problem.

if the play caller is making wise choices and the players aren't screwing up then even the option would work well. the scheme can't do as much damage as the guys making the decisions and playing on the field can and has.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:04 AM

I'd love to see the numbers to show how many times we've done the option thing. I completely agree it's being overdone but I don't think it's used so much that it's actually our base offense. I question whether that is a term that got thrown out and now it's just being run with....


i believe a lot of the "option" plays that people see are no more than a shotgun formation with a rb in for protection.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:23 AM

i believe a lot of the "option" plays that people see are no more than a shotgun formation with a rb in for protection.

true and this is no different than what most QBs in the league are doing. one back sets with the Qb in the shotgun...very normal. people just look at us doing it and automatically assume it's just another option play.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:28 AM

I believe you are pointing out a symptom of our offensive problems, not the cause.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:31 AM

I believe you are pointing out a symptom of our offensive problems, not the cause.

not sure who that was towards, but one thing i believe is that there is no singular cause. it's a tropical storm of causes. lots of manageable things that turns into the tropical storm of failure we're seeing.

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:32 AM

not sure who that was towards, but one thing i believe is that there is no singular cause. it's a tropical storm of causes. lots of manageable things that turns into the tropical storm of failure we're seeing.



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Posted 12 October 2012 - 10:43 AM

Cam needs to stop looking for the homerun pass eacjh and every time he drops back. I have seen several times where Olsen or HB/FB are wide open in the flats or in the soft spot of a zone defense and he is sitll looking at the deep ball to WR's. our average yards gain on 1st down is killing our drives.


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