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#166 rayzor

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:29 PM

Glad to see that Mr.Richardson is finally taking some heat for this losing franchise. What took us so long?

he took a good bit after the 2010 season. it's not like this is the first time people have called him out on things.

granted the criticisms were different at that point, but i think he responded well to them and made a big effort to try and turn things around. he listened to what was being said and did something about it.

i think the same thing is probably going to happen this time around. i don't know how it will shake out, but i'm hoping that the result is a better GM that does a better job of getting good personnel in here without being narrow minded as to where they come from and that this GM does a better job of holding personnel accountable.

fwiw...the comments made by hurney in a couple interviews done early last week sounded like he intended to do a better job managing the coaching staff, realizing that they weren't using the well and the players themselves weren't carrying their weight. maybe hurney and richardson got ahead of this.

only way we can know for sure is how the team comes out of the bye and what they do with the rest of the weeks they have in the season.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:47 PM

And when your big boss tells your supervisor to stop talking to you or he will fire him there is a huge problem.

we don't know the details of the situation. I know how I'd respond to being yelled at by a supervisior. I'm pretty sure most men wouldn't take it well.

Davidson prolly should have shut the fug up.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:08 PM

There has been a precipitous decline in Richardson the last four years or so. He used to be sharp as a tack. He picked your brain for opinions and could tell right away what was gold and what was crap. But he understood the value of coming to you and making you feel like you mattered. That fostered loyalty within the organization from the bottom up. As Zod has said on here before, he was country smart. And that's why the other owners in the League put him in charge of the very public labor battle.

That being said, he used to hate Al Davis. Now he is rapidly becoming Al Davis. Doesn't this Smitty/Davidson flap sound like one of the many stories about Davis and the Raiders franchise the last few years he was around? And the way he acted in that press conference a few year ago and his comments during the labor negotiations show a man who no longer is aware of everything.

The man is human. He went through hell with his heart problem. It's just unfortunate that there is no one to keep him in check now that he's in need of that person more than ever.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:10 PM

I get your point but the answer is: Browns*, Raiders, Bengals, Texans*, Cardinals.

*has played fewer seasons than we have.


Geeez, you're telling me the freakin Jaguars have more winning seasons than us? Wow it's worse than I thought and I new we were bad!! I've always laughed at teams like the Bengals, Raiders and Jags as being the perennial whipping boys of the league. It's becoming very apparent that we're in that group if not worse. Very sad realization for a fan since day 1.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:10 PM

Hopefully you will take the time in the next few days to write JR and let him know how you feel. Your feelings are justified.


I do and I have.

I think JR is a decent human being; but, as faar as being a Football owner, I don't know, it's like he tries to do what other successful teams have done and hope it will work for him instead of figuring out what he wants his team to be and just do it.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:14 PM

Geeez, you're telling me the freakin Jaguars have more winning seasons than us? Wow it's worse than I thought and I new we were bad!! I've always laughed at teams like the Bengals, Raiders and Jags as being the perennial whipping boys of the league. It's becoming very apparent that we're in that group if not worse. Very sad realization for a fan since day 1.


I'm pretty sure they have 7 winning seasons and 5 playoff berths?

I could be making that number up - of course - but it rings a bell.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:16 PM

we don't know the details of the situation. I know how I'd respond to being yelled at by a supervisior. I'm pretty sure most men wouldn't take it well.

Davidson prolly should have shut the fug up.



You can't say in one breath we don't know what happened, then in the next assume Davidson was doing/starting the yelling.


JR intervening should be a last resort.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:26 PM

To make this easier, can someone just do a quick take on what happened? What's the dealio?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:46 PM

To make this easier, can someone just do a quick take on what happened? What's the dealio?


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#175 SOJA

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:50 PM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:54 PM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:56 PM

To make this easier, can someone just do a quick take on what happened? What's the dealio?


A "reliable" source within the Panthers organization told Bill Rosinski a story about something that happened in 2010. Apparently Jeff Davidson and Steve Smith got into a heated argument in Davidson's office. Afterward, Smith went to Mr. Richardson and told him what happened. Big Cat then went straight to Davidson and told him not to speak to Smitty anymore (and if they got into any more arguments he would be fired). The source also noted that there are many more stories like this.

Bill says that this kind of behavior (Richardson going to an OC and telling him to back off of the star WR) shows why the organization has had only 4 winning seasons out of 17; that our ownership and management structure is flawed and problems always start from the top.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:56 PM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:00 PM

The question is can JR learn from his mistakes? My guess is not but we can all hope.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:19 PM

Pretty shitty assumption off of a story with little relevance


Here's the relevance that seems to escape you...

Rozinski told a story today that illustrated how JR went to bat for a favored player. We all know Jerry likes to develop personal relationships with players and employees. It is one of the things that makes him special as an owner, but can prove to be a fault as well.

DWill, Stew, Beason , Kalil etc are all standup guys on the field and off. They are all loyal and do not cause problems in the locker room. It is not a big stretch that JR would want to keep these guys around and that he would pass along that desire to Hurney. This in turn puts pressure on Hurney to get deals done whether he thinks it is the right thing to do or not.

Here's a question for you: do you really believe that Jerry stays out of questions as to who stays and who goes as a Panther? Do you think Jerry has significant input on personnel, or do you think he is truly hands off? Isn't this the same Jerry that had to tell Hurney to go ahead and do the trade that brought Olsen here?

So my point is, Hurney probably takes a lot of the heat for doing the bidding of the owner. Not too hard to understand now, is it?


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