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#121 Dpantherman

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:44 PM

After hearing stories like this, you just have to wonder if re-signing DWill and J Stew and Godfrey and Beason and Anderson and CJ were all Hurney's doing.

Would it surprise anyone if JR told Marty, "Do whatever you have to do to keep these guys."


Pretty shitty assumption off of a story with little relevance

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:44 PM

Concise and on point analysis.

Well said.

The organization lacks structure, discipline, and accountability.

replacing hurney would be a quick fix, imo.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:50 PM

I've defended Richardson from the talk about him only wanting to make money and not win. What I won't defend him on is the idea of him making the important personel decisions and only having Hruney as his book keeper. That would be a major turn off. I've feared this for quite a few years now and believe it's the most likely scenerio.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:52 PM

replacing hurney would be a quick fix, imo.


Only if it's with a true 'football guy' as opposed to a 'loyal soldier'.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:55 PM

When JR was a relatively unknown quantity within the NFL, he was able to attract some of the best talent in the business to help him construct this franchise from the ground up.

IMO He missed his best opportunity to have a winning organization when he refused to make Bill Polian president.

It has pretty much been a series of bad decisions since then.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

You know, when you think about it, a former player favoring players over coaches isn't necessarily all that surprising.

But sadly, it may well be a worse situation than a 'hands on' owner :(

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

I've defended Richardson from the talk about him only wanting to make money and not win. What I won't defend him on is the idea of him making the important personnel decisions and only having Hruney as his book keeper. That would be a major turn off. I've feared this for quite a few years now and believe it's the most likely scenario.

i would prefer they go back to having hurney handle all of the cap stuff as the "director of player operations" and they find someone to handle all the personnel stuff as the "director of pro personnel", like they had it in the late 90's before hurney got whole GM job.

i actually think this may be what they do...at least i hope. that way jerry gets to keep hurney around and he's limited to what he does well and the team isn't hurt by his ineffectiveness in making personnel decisions.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:00 PM

Point is when you hire someone to be in charge of a division you don't allow the person the manager is managing to jump over their heads and come to you "The Boss".

Perhaps the puppeteer is finally starting to be revealed.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

You know, when you think about it, a former player favoring players over coaches isn't necessarily all that surprising.

But sadly, it may well be a worse situation than a 'hands on' owner :(

i doubt that's worse than an owner that is calling down to the sidelines telling the coach what plays to run and what players to have on the field.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

Point is when you hire someone to be in charge of a division you don't allow the person the manager is managing to jump over their heads and come to you "The Boss".

Perhaps the puppeteer is finally starting to be revealed.

smitty? :startle:

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:04 PM

Only if it's with a true 'football guy' as opposed to a 'loyal soldier'.


Was going to say this, too.

Drafting and contract negotiations have to change. The cumulative effect of what Hurney has done is why this team is where it is. It's amazing how people think Hurney drafts well in the first round when he's taken a RB or a LB in 5/7 1st round draft picks. Is that really BPA or Hurney just inept at picking other positions?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:05 PM

Yeah - I agree with what Jase said (sort of).

You don't need Coaches getting in shouting matches with your players. Then again, you want to make sure your players (especially one of the BEST players on the team) know their place and know who is calling the shots.

To be fair though, guys: In 2010 the ship was sinking fast and was generally a clusterfug.

I'd like for Rozinski tell some stories about the winning seasons and how JR conducted himself then.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:07 PM

i doubt that's worse than an owner that is calling down to the sidelines telling the coach what plays to run and what players to have on the field.


Well in fairness, there are different levels of 'hands on'.

Still don't see this as any indication that Richardson interferes in day to day decisions within the organization. It does, however, give credence to the theory that Richardson may be undermining his coaches. Unintentionally, I would imagine, but sadly that doesn't make the result any better.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:10 PM

I would add my suspicion is that Richardson will react to this story by fuming about it getting out rather than by recognizing it as an indication of a problem.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:12 PM

After hearing stories like this, you just have to wonder if re-signing DWill and J Stew and Godfrey and Beason and Anderson and CJ were all Hurney's doing.

Would it surprise anyone if JR told Marty, "Do whatever you have to do to keep these guys."


Richardson did mention all of those guys plus Kalil and Thomas Davis except for CJ as leaders of the team in Morgan fogarty interview


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