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#37 SOJA

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 02:13 PM

Lots of talk about how Hurney was a puppet for JR.....if this is true, will JR hire yet another one or is he committed to trying something different in order to win a superbowl?


Let's assume Hurney was a puppet. From JR's perspective Hurney makes perfect sense. By all accounts, he was one of the nicest people in the NFL. He never caused any drama and ALWAYS took the blame. Did Hurney really want to draft Armanti, or was that a cry from JR to appease the App state fanbase? I contend we will never know, but what we will know by the next hire is whether or not JR's philosophy has fundamentally changed.

Is winning a superbowl more important to him now than having total control over his baby, his Panthers ,or will he maintain with the status quo and hire another 'puppet'?

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

I think it's going to be very interesting to watch how the next GM operates, and to see just how much autonomy he enjoys.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 02:37 PM

I don't care who it is...but If we get one more Brown scrub I will go apesh*t


Bill Belichick was a 'brown scrub'.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:21 PM

Those big investors from App State keeping Armanti Edwards on the team! SMH

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:28 PM

Prior to 2008, Hurney traded for or signed the following veteran players:
Mark Fields, Stephen Davis, Ken Lucas, Mike Wahle, Justin Hartwig, Chris Harris, Keyshawn Johnson, Na'il Diggs, Ma'ake Kemoeatu
I'm not counting the fringe players who made good, like Jake Delhomme, or Damione Lewis. All of those players had extensive starting experience, and were well known free agents that other people wanted. And not all of them worked out. But the point is, he went out and got solid veterans.

And then he suddenly stopped. After 2009, he's signed/traded for:
Greg Olsen, Jeremey Shockey, Mike Tolbert

Fox got no one in his last two years, and had his entire roster all but purged of veterans. That's also not characteristic of Hurney, but it's pretty much accepted that he did it because Richardson told him to. And then there's the whole Peppers thing, where Hurney never tried to trade him away, even after it was apparent that he wanted to go. Through it all, he did a great job at cap management, for what that's worth, but it;s almost like he was a completely different GM after Richardson got involved again and fired his kids.


The fact that he stopped was because if he didn't he was going to be out of a job just like Fox for his poor performance. JR set goals that Fox nor Hurney met and that's why both got fired. Not because of some half baked scheme.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:33 PM

Cyberjag defended Jake/Fox to the grave. What a clown.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:39 PM

The fact that he stopped was because if he didn't he was going to be out of a job just like Fox for his poor performance. JR set goals that Fox nor Hurney met and that's why both got fired. Not because of some half baked scheme.

I don't think there's a conspiracy, but I do think that JR is and has been much more involved with the management of the team than he puts across in public. There have been free agents available who would have helped this team in the past few years that we once would have gone after, even during the Hurney years.

It seems like there are a lot of folks who just want to assume that a guy who lasted a decade at the top of his profession is incompetent. But no one at that level puts all their cards on the table and runs a completely transparent organization. To me, it makes more sense that the reason he stopped going after "name" free agents is because he was told to.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:45 PM

I don't think there's a conspiracy, but I do think that JR is and has been much more involved with the management of the team than he puts across in public. There have been free agents available who would have helped this team in the past few years that we once would have gone after, even during the Hurney years.

It seems like there are a lot of folks who just want to assume that a guy who lasted a decade at the top of his profession is incompetent. But no one at that level puts all their cards on the table and runs a completely transparent organization. To me, it makes more sense that the reason he stopped going after "name" free agents is because he was told to.


Or just maybe he did that so he could say they needed to develop. When you bring in higher priced FAs you put a time clock on your Job. With young players and coaches you have more time.