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Greg Cosell Breaks Down Our Offensive Woes


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#37 TonyN

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:36 PM

Yes. Many times. At Carolina as well as Auburn. He is a below average NFL quarterback in the pocket. He has no real feel for the passing game...his anticipation of when receivers will be open is dreadful. The Panthers are running the read option offense in order to hide Newton's liabilities. Put him in, say, the current Denver offense, and you will see how limited he is.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 10:56 PM

Yes. Many times. At Carolina as well as Auburn. He is a below average NFL quarterback in the pocket. He has no real feel for the passing game...his anticipation of when receivers will be open is dreadful. The Panthers are running the read option offense in order to hide Newton's liabilities. Put him in, say, the current Denver offense, and you will see how limited he is.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:05 AM

A Power running game with one of the worst offensive lines in the league is akin to running a vertical offense with a qb who can't throw the ball 15 yards down the field

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:14 AM

Newton may be the best, he may be the worst, he may be average.

The Panthers will only know if they allow him to play like a real QB.

It is true he badly missed that slant to Louis Murphy....replays show Murphy was open in the endzone if Newton had just anticipated and threw the ball. He did not. He delayed. The ball was intercepted.

That said, let us also not forget that on 3rd and 15 and 3rd and 18 under heavy rush and a tight coverage, Newton put the ball right in Murphy's hands in stride.

To make a judgement on Newton now is ridiculous. There is simply not enough facts.

Sick of people feeling that have to constantly deride the guy.

He will be something or he wont. The timeline on that is more in JR's hands than any other. A man who would part with his sons and his best friend in order to win is not someone who is going to keep a 23 year old he doesn't beileve in on this team.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:35 AM

Yes. Many times. At Carolina as well as Auburn. He is a below average NFL quarterback in the pocket. He has no real feel for the passing game...his anticipation of when receivers will be open is dreadful. The Panthers are running the read option offense in order to hide Newton's liabilities. Put him in, say, the current Denver offense, and you will see how limited he is.


Cam Newton can run a pro-style offense. Is he Peyton Manning or Tom Brady right now - no, of course not. But his ability to keep plays alive scrambling and even taking off every now and then makes him as dangerous a QB in the entire league. I can't imagine you've actually seen some of the throws this kid makes and can say with a straight face that he's below average. Easily one of the strongest arms in the league, and alot more accurate than people give him credit. Does he make some boneheaded plays - yes, but I'll argue no more than most other winning QBs.

Perhaps your expectations are too high. Please watch the ATL/WAS game if possible. Notice the plays WAS runs for Griffin, before he was knocked out of the game. Then notice how Ryan throws a lot of passes to his security blanket Gonzalez - I promise you when that guy is gone, Ryan will look a lot more vulnerable. Plus notice the INT Ryan threw to a DE that was returned for a TD.

Or even watch WAS/NYG. Eli makes a ton of bad throws and decisions. RG3 threw a horrible INT and fumbled when sacked.

Or just watch the first half of the DEN/ATL game. Peyton threw half as many INTs in the first half as Cam has all season.

My point is Cam is a dynamic QB with all the tools to be elite. But he's a young player that needs time to develop. He's a passer that can run. Unfortunately, Chud is treating him as a runner that plays QB.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:00 PM

This was on The Herd yesterday, and I meant to post it, but had other stuff going on... Anyway, for those of you not familiar with him, he's been with NFL Films for over 30 years and he's the guy that breaks down film with Jaws all day.

If you haven't heard it, it is REALLY worth the listen, and it's only about 2-3 minutes on us at the very beginning of the segment. Check it out and it confirms/explains a lot, especially for those, like myself, who know the problem isn't Cam.

http://espn.go.com/e...play?id=8550473


The problem with Cam is that he isn't adept at running a pro style offense. Last week on one of the few plays he took under center he tripped and fell on the hand off. It is true that he does need to be developed in that area...but he does have the physical attributes to run it. But it's not like he knows how to do it and they're just denying him the pro offense though. It's more like we're going to lose a lot of games in the process of trying to teach him. At this point at 1-5....teach him cause we're not going anywhere. The season at this point is practice for next year.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:16 PM

The problem with Cam is that he isn't adept at running a pro style offense. Last week on one of the few plays he took under center he tripped and fell on the hand off.


Smh, he tripped because Bell took his first step too deep and stepped on Newton's foot. That was a function of Bell's inexperience at guard. Cam has taken hundreds of snaps under center without tripping so I'm pretty confident this is not an indicator of anything.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:34 PM

Jaws and some others who have analyzed film have said he has done well from under center this year. He's just not being given the opportunities. By Rivera's own admission, they basically thought they were "staying ahead of the curve" by using the shotgun/read option base, but may have "out thought themselves." Doesn't sound like they were trying to protect him, more like they thought they'd be fooling people by continuing to do it and it failed.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

The majority of our best plays against Dallas came with Newton under center.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:19 PM

BREAKING NEWS ALERT.... a deception based offense will not work in the NFL...

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:06 PM

there are some elements of the way the auburn offense ran that i would love to have employed here...but it mainly has to do with the tempo of the offense.

they need to get a group on the field that they can keep on there and can run the hurry up offense from beginning to end without giving defenses a chance to adjust.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:23 PM

there are some elements of the way the auburn offense ran that i would love to have employed here...but it mainly has to do with the tempo of the offense.

they need to get a group on the field that they can keep on there and can run the hurry up offense from beginning to end without giving defenses a chance to adjust.


All I know is this offense is just too stagnant. No movement. No sense of urgency. And the biggest, for me, no aggression.

IMO, the reason most folks are so frustrated is beause of the offense. So everyone throws out there 2 cents on how to fix it. There are some good, and not so good, suggestions.

For me the biggest difference between this year and last year is that Cam is not moving. Standing in the shotgun is just not how you use one of the most athletic QBs in the league. That, and kick Chud in the nuts to get his head back out of his ass. It must be stuck up there pretty good.

There is just so much speculation going on. But, that is what the interwebz is for.