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#121 nosuchthingasapanther

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:30 AM

3 trade scenarios I'd like to see

1) Conditional pick (3rd to a 2nd if team makes playoff and he plays x amount of time) WE don't take cap hit
2) 2nd round pick with conditional to move to 1st if team makes playoffs AND WE assume cap hit

Honestly...I don't even know if they allow such things.


it doesn't work like that.

carolina is going to take a cap hit. period...and that's only 2 scenarios.

#122 g5jamz

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:42 AM

I figured we'd be taking a cap hit period...I guess my scenario would assume a baseline cap hit over and above that.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:53 AM

Explanation per D Gantt
http://profootballta...lliams-cap-hit/

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:05 AM

DW isn't going anywhere. He'll restructure to a more manageable contract in the offseason. I suspect multiple players will restructure or be cut (gross and beast).

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:14 AM

Explanation per D Gantt
http://profootballta...lliams-cap-hit/


For Williams, the $3.2 million bonus allocation would continue to apply this year. For a post-June 1 trade, the remaining $9.6 million would apply not this year but next year.

The cap charge would be offset by avoiding Williams’ $4.75 million base salary next season, which means that the Panthers would carry a net hit of $4.85 million in 2013, if they trade Williams before the 2012 trade deadline.

not bad.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:33 AM

So basically a 4.85 million dollar hit next season

Not that bad indeed

#127 Thorrez

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:58 AM

So not this years cap after all. I say the chance that he is still with the team on this contract next year is very small.

What are the cup hit if he reconstruct? If the hit is like the original deal I would think a reconstruct:
2013: About $2M for year in 2013 with a cap hit at $5M a year.
2014: Cut him and take the $6,4M hit, if he is willing to com back and play for about $1M let him.
2015: We will need his cap space to resign Cam.

Might be best to just take the hit next year.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:24 AM

So not this years cap after all. I say the chance that he is still with the team on this contract next year is very small.

What are the cup hit if he reconstruct? If the hit is like the original deal I would think a reconstruct:
2013: About $2M for year in 2013 with a cap hit at $5M a year.
2014: Cut him and take the $6,4M hit, if he is willing to com back and play for about $1M let him.
2015: We will need his cap space to resign Cam.

Might be best to just take the hit next year.


Seems to me a reconstruct of his contract is going to be difficult unless he is willing to play for a very low salary. We would have to wrap that $5 million hit for 2013 in any new deal. Assuming we wouldn't sign a 30 year old back to more than a 3 year deal, he'd have to take a big pay cut to make it work.

I don't think he's here next year, and it may go beyond the contract issues. Guessing as to the reasons is probably futile, but it just seems their future plans don't include Deangelo.

#129 TruCatzFan

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:28 AM

Seems to me a reconstruct of his contract is going to be difficult unless he is willing to play for a very low salary. We would have to wrap that $5 million hit for 2013 in any new deal. Assuming we wouldn't sign a 30 year old back to more than a 3 year deal, he'd have to take a big pay cut to make it work.

I don't think he's here next year, and it may go beyond the contract issues. Guessing as to the reasons is probably futile, but it just seems their future plans don't include Deangelo.


Future plans don't include DeAngelo??? Why? Because the coach that won't be here next year is electing to try to get Stewart "into a rhythm"?

C'mon man, stop drankin from the stoopid cup

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

Future plans don't include DeAngelo??? Why? Because the coach that won't be here next year is electing to try to get Stewart "into a rhythm"?

C'mon man, stop drankin from the stoopid cup



Because he's going to be a 30 year old running back on a team looking to make a lot of roster changes.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:40 AM

Future plans don't include DeAngelo??? Why? Because the coach that won't be here next year is electing to try to get Stewart "into a rhythm"?

C'mon man, stop drankin from the stoopid cup


So tell me what you see that indicates the organization (not just RR) views DWill as a continuing part of the core.

You know as well as I the organization is not making any major decisions without JR's input.

#132 DoubleTrouble34

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:56 AM

I hope he doesn't get traded. I would like to see him stick around and play for a coaching staff next season that will actually know how to use him

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:02 AM

So tell me what you see that indicates the organization (not just RR) views DWill as a continuing part of the core.

You know as well as I the organization is not making any major decisions without JR's input.


Well lets see, there's that whole thing that they just gave him that FAT contract that everybody's talking about in this thread.

I completely agree that he was over paid

And yes we both know that JR is likely calling the shots at this point... But it's hard to believe that when Eric Davis just emphatically stated that JR doesn't get involved with personnel decisions.

Lets all just be honest with ourselves here for a moment. For reals:

The only reason DeAngelo has become a topic of conversation in the past few weeks is because the offensive scheme that we have been running hasn't been conducive for either of our backs to be successful. Rivera then chose Stew over DeAngelo to get him rolling. (Yet another dumb decision on his part) then the media gets in on the party and rumors begin... If we used our backs as we should be, this wouldn't even be a topic of conversation.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

It has everything to do with the shitty O-line play, and shitty offensive game planning. But, that's the way it is right now and to be honest, as much as I love Deangelo (I have a mid-tier jersey of his, even), it'd probably be best for all parties involved to go ahead and get something for him now. We could probably get a mid range pick for him, and get the money out of the way in one shot (next year's cap) and he could go to a contender where he can thrive and hopefully, for him, get a ring. Last chance this year, cuz the next few are ours :)


My post was sarcastic if you couldn't tell.

#135 MadHatter

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

Well lets see, there's that whole thing that they just gave him that FAT contract that everybody's talking about in this thread.

I completely agree that he was over paid

And yes we both know that JR is likely calling the shots at this point... But it's hard to believe that when Eric Davis just emphatically stated that JR doesn't get involved with personnel decisions.

Lets all just be honest with ourselves here for a moment. For reals:

The only reason DeAngelo has become a topic of conversation in the past few weeks is because the offensive scheme that we have been running hasn't been conducive for either of our backs to be successful. Rivera then chose Stew over DeAngelo to get him rolling. (Yet another dumb decision on his part) then the media gets in on the party and rumors begin... If we used our backs as we should be, this wouldn't even be a topic of conversation.


I definitely think something will be done with either Williams or Stewart after this season.

Hurney was the one crazy enough to invest that obscene amount of cap space in the RB position. It is very doubtful that they new GM will have the same opinion. I fully expect them to shed cap space int he RB position (sign a 2nd tier back-up or draft one in the later rounds).

The new GM would be smart to take much of that cap space and invest in other areas....even if it takes another year to fully free the space.


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