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John Gruden and QB development

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how many non-juco teams have wanted him since he got fired from tampa?

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He has a great gig right now, but to say he is not wanted and not proven is completely inaccurate. His Raiders team made it to the Superbowl against his new Bucs team. He won the game. So, basically he developed one team and won with another. He is a great coach Denying that is ridiculous.

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The Bucs were Dungy's team.

Gruden ran that team into the ground. He played 'musical chairs' with his QBs and by the time he was done, the players were ready to mutiny rather than ever play for him again

Absolutely and emphatically, no.

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That is true but in 2001 with Dungy Tampa Bay was 9-7 and in 2002 with Gruden they jump to 12-4.

Johnson went from being very average in 2001 to being a Pro Bowler in 2002 and winning a Super Bowl.

In 2003 Johnson had a rough year (26 TDs and 21 INTs) and was the scapegoat for a 7-9 season. He was replaced the next season and Tampa Bay never had another QB with any real talent the rest of Gruden's tenure (Simms, Griese, Gradkowski, and Garcia). I mean Garcia was decent, and Tampa went 18-14 with him at QB, but the other 3 QBs no coach would have won with. Those QBs had no talent to develop.

Still, teams from one year to the next have been known to have huge swings in win loss total yearly. Given that is the case it's almost impossible and too many variables to insinuate the the added 3 wins came as a result of Gruden.

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oh...and what has he done since 2002?

In 2005 he went 11-5 with Chris Simms as his best QB. In 2007 and 2008 he went 9-7 his with an over the hill Jeff Garcia and the other terrible QBs he had when Garcia was inevitably hurt.

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In 2005 he went 11-5 with Chris Simms as his best QB. In 2007 and 2008 he went 9-7 his with an over the hill Jeff Garcia and the other terrible QBs he had when Garcia was inevitably hurt.

I'll take 9-7 at this point......didn't the Panther's despleen Simms?

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Gruden gets play because of his personality and celebrity status.

Those are lousy reasons to choose a head coach.

There are better options than Gruden.

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Still, teams from one year to the next have been known to have huge swings in win loss total yearly. Given that is the case it's almost impossible and too many variables to insinuate the the added 3 wins came as a result of Gruden.

He did the same in Oakland taking them from last place at 4-12 to 8-8 in year 1.

Tampa is 25-35 since John Gruden left. The year after Gruden left they went from 9-7 to 3-13. They also blew yup the roster so that doesn't really mean anything.

I don't really want him, but whether his players liked him or not he won more than he lost.

Tom Coughlin was run out of Jacksonville and nearly run out of NY because his players didn't like him either. Bill Parcells wasn't beloved by his players.

But the players seem to really like Ron Rivera so maybe we should just keep him.

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I'll take 9-7 at this point......didn't the Panther's despleen Simms?

Yes we did lol

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Gruden gets play because of his personality and celebrity status.

Those are lousy reasons to choose a head coach.

There are better options than Gruden.

What about his .540 win percentage (which was even higher in Oakland where he built it from the ground up so you can't give all that credit to Dungy), 5 division championships, and Super Bowl win?

Are those good reasons?

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