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There are 15 winning head coaches with jobs in this league (tenured)

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Technology has also improved greatly. It took 100 times longer to collect film reel and scout players. Now coaches can punch in a players name and see every down he played in a row. Drafting used to be much more of a hit or miss.

Very true. Of course most folks don't know that it wasn't until the AFL came into existence that much work was made to even evaluate players and develop a scouting team for the draft. Suddenly there was competition and folks employed some technology. Then in 1977 or so, we started the combine and folks got more systematic. The big push has been in the last 10 years as free agent money made it so important to get drafted high. At least the rookie salary cap has given that whole process some sanity.

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Can the Rivera defenders make a legitimate case for keeping him in regards to how he has handled this team, record aside for a sec?

As in, besides having a bad record in his first two years as a head coach, in what way is his head coaching style similar to Belicheat and Jimmy Johnson?

Rivera inherited a team that was depleted in so many key areas. Cam's success last year gave most of us amnesia and we started to think we were contenders. But as evidenced this year, we are far from being contenders.

So, why should we give Rivera another year? He is slowly but surely upgrading personnel the hard way, and in my opinion, the right way. He is doing that by starting young guys and giving them some reps. There may be growing pains, but when these young players (norman, thomas, Keek, Campbell, Alexander etc...) figure it out together we'll have a dominating D. I just wish he did the same with offense i.e. give more reps to Gettis, Adams etc...and end this Armanti experiment once and for all.

If ownerships shows patience with him, I think this team will have a great D. We still need to work on playcalling on offense.

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Given that few coaches win in year 1 no matter where they go, you would be looking at year 2 of a new coach which is the same as giving Rivera 4 years to win. I think Rivera knows how to win, the young guys needed to learn how to win and close and if we finish strong, I think they will have learned that lesson.

Rivera doesn't know how to win

He hasn't proven it yet. He's lost nearly every single close game he's coached. And last I checked, we weren't that much of a young team going into this season. Pretty average in age, so it's a pretty lame excuse.

Mike Smith

Jim Harbaugh

John Harbaugh

Rex Ryan

Norv Turner (SD)

Mike Tomlin

Sean Payton

This is a short list of first-year head coaches that won instantly. Not so rare since 2006

By the way, Sunday's win would've been impressive from a schematic standpoint if we outfoxed the offensive tempo adjustments Atlanta made and held them to say, 3-10 points instead of letting them score 20 points in about the final 20 minutes. If we need to jump ahead 23-0 in order to have a good chance of winning that means you aren't really doing a good job in the 4th quarter.

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Rivera doesn't know how to win

He hasn't proven it yet. He's lost nearly every single close game he's coached. And last I checked, we weren't that much of a young team going into this season. Pretty average in age, so it's a pretty lame excuse.

Mike Smith

Jim Harbaugh

John Harbaugh

Rex Ryan

Norv Turner (SD)

Mike Tomlin

Sean Payton

This is a short list of first-year head coaches that won instantly. Not so rare since 2006

By the way, Sunday's win would've been impressive from a schematic standpoint if we outfoxed the offensive tempo adjustments Atlanta made and held them to say, 3-10 points instead of letting them score 20 points in about the final 20 minutes. If we need to jump ahead 23-0 in order to have a good chance of winning that means you aren't really doing a good job in the 4th quarter.

And I can make a longer list of guys who didn't win instantly since 2006. But that really isn't the issue. Could we find someone else who would be better? We might be able to but it is not guaranteed either. We could also find someone who takes 2 years or more to prove to be a bust.

The issue is that some of you believe that Rivera can't be a good coach, isn't learning from his mistakes and will keep doing the same dumb things. So far I think he is learning but am waiting until the end of the year to see what continued adjustments he makes and whether he can get them on a roll before I pass judgement.

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only support i can come up with for RR to stay, is that consistency in the same system is generally good for young QB's like our, unless the system is bad, which it kinda is.

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And I can make a longer list of guys who didn't win instantly since 2006. But that really isn't the issue. Could we find someone else who would be better? We might be able to but it is not guaranteed either. We could also find someone who takes 2 years or more to prove to be a bust.

The issue is that some of you believe that Rivera can't be a good coach, isn't learning from his mistakes and will keep doing the same dumb things. So far I think he is learning but am waiting until the end of the year to see what continued adjustments he makes and whether he can get them on a roll before I pass judgement.

there is no guarantee that the next coach will be any better, but there's also no guarantee that rivera will learn everything he needs to to become a consistent winner.

i just haven't seen a whole lot of evidence that he's "getting it", at least getting it enough to make a significant difference in the W/L columns. i don't know if he's good enough to get this team and it's players over the hump enough to make us real and consistent playoff contenders.

if he continues to coach like he did this past week, then yes i think he's gotten it. if he goes back to some more of the old "protect the lead" giving the ball away to the other team at the end of the game hoping that your defense will contain and then watching that offense flat out abuse our defense with big deep passes going down the field....i'm pretty sure i don't want to see any more of that.

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If Chico has learned to continue playing until the end, then maybe, yea, keep him around with a new OC. If he goes back into the BS about 'not losing' the game, which it always has, then gtfo... As long as he is learning from his mistakes, which I think he is, I think he should get another shot. I know what the man did with his defenses over the years, and I was really excited about the hire. Not so much now that we're 2yrs into his tenure...

I agree with teh 3-year rule, but we all know we havent had a winning season in 4. Sooooooo.........

I am on the fence, I want RR to succeed here, but it does not look like its going to happen, sometimes....

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And I can make a longer list of guys who didn't win instantly since 2006. But that really isn't the issue. Could we find someone else who would be better? We might be able to but it is not guaranteed either. We could also find someone who takes 2 years or more to prove to be a bust.

The issue is that some of you believe that Rivera can't be a good coach, isn't learning from his mistakes and will keep doing the same dumb things. So far I think he is learning but am waiting until the end of the year to see what continued adjustments he makes and whether he can get them on a roll before I pass judgement.

p55., just about every position in this league, whether at the player's level or executive level has a low rate of success when looking at the winning metric. We could hypothetically stick with Rivera for the next 4 years with the knowledge that there's a reasonable chance he'll at least string enough wins together to reach the playoffs once. Then again, we could've stuck with Matt Moore and not drafted Cam Newton. We could've kept Hurney instead of calling for the initiative to search for a successful GM prospect with a fresh perspective.

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p55., just about every position in this league, whether at the player's level or executive level has a low rate of success when looking at the winning metric. We could hypothetically stick with Rivera for the next 4 years with the knowledge that there's a reasonable chance he'll at least string enough wins together to reach the playoffs once. Then again, we could've stuck with Matt Moore and not drafted Cam Newton. We could've kept Hurney instead of calling for the initiative to search for a successful GM prospect with a fresh perspective.

I don't think anyone is saying stick with Rivera for 4 more years hoping he is going to take us to the playoffs once. For me I gave him a pass last year because he really didn't have an off-season and was still installing the offense and defense 10 weeks into the season. So this is the first year he has really had a full season and off-season to do his thing. And frankly I have been damn disappointed. I don't want people to think I believe he has done a good job either. He frankly hasn't. The issue is simply is he progressing enough to believe that next year will be significantly different and that we are on the edge of building something really good here. Right now I am still undecided. Going into San Diego and beating a team that dismantled Pittsburgh last Sunday might convince me we are heading the right direction. If we lay another egg and suck, then I might be the first one to say he needs to go.

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I'm going to support the team either way, but I really don't think Rivera has what it takes to win consistently at the highest level. He's been coaching in the NFL since 1997, it's not like he needs to learn anything. At this point, shouldn't it be more about him applying what he's learned? And over the past two seasons, all the close losses and late game collapses show that he just can't seem to do it.

I get giving him a pass for last year, but he wasn't the only guy out there coaching a new team, he was just the second worst at it. And even with that, he's been inconsistent at nearly every phase of the job--getting guys fired up for a game, calling the right play at the right time, and making adjustments at the half. I'm nothing close to an expert, but I really don't see anything special about him. Not like we all saw with Fox when he started, and you would like to think we're getting better in the coaching department rather than worse.

And for what it's worth, Bill Bellichick went 5-11 his first year with the Patriots, and then lost his first two games in his second season before Bledsoe went down and he turned to Brady. Coincidentally, that's when he suddenly became a coaching genius... :)

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With all the talk about a coach needing time, etc I wonder how many from the examples people give did so with the same GM that hired them. The problem with Rivera is he was hired by a GM that was fired.

The organization made a mistake when they fired Fox and kept Hurney. Keeping Rivera after firing Hurney can be making the same mistake. For me they need to start fresh with a new GM and coaching staff. NOW that all being said, if the new GM has the authority to pick his coach with NO Jerry involvement or cause they dont want to pay a fired coach and a new one,,,, if he decides Rivera can turn it around then so be it. I am just so sure about that and will be extremely pissed if this team starts poorly again next year, they end up having to fire Rivera and its another wasted year.

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