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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:26 PM

It will be interesting to hear the Deangelo haters suddenly reverse their opinion after he's gone. How many seasons of JStew sitting out 4 to 6 games before they start the "I told ya so" nonsense? I personally cannot wait until next season so I can sitting around waiting for the injury report every week. Should be a real hoot.

Um, Williams has rushed for an average of 40 yards a game in the Newton era.

It isn't as if we cut him and only have Stewart and Tolbert. You replace Williams with a new body. One that FITS what they want. They demoted him essentially twice in two years for a reason. His production simply hasn't been much....he is very much replaceable at a better cost.

But lets keep the expense square peg luxury.....

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

RIP read option

RG and Cam have proven it works. Best ground attacks the past 2 consecutive seasons have mixed it in.

A game against the worst D in NFL history doesn't change that

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

Um, Williams has rushed for an average of 40 yards a game in the Newton era.

It isn't as if we cut him and only have Stewart and Tolbert. You replace Williams with a new body. One that FITS what they want. They demoted him essentially twice in two years for a reason. His production simply hasn't been much....he is very much replaceable at a better cost.

But lets keep the expense square peg luxury.....


So has Stewart, his average is barely over 40 yards per game rushing, while Williams is sitting around 48 yards per game. Neither one of them has been absolutely spectacular over the last 32 games with Newton. Both had down years this season and had pretty decent-good years last season considering they split carries.

I however agree that Williams will be gone though, he pretty much has to be cut because of his contract.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:38 PM

If we are only going off production, you would cut Deangelo AND Stewart. Panthers are paying both guys like they are top 5 running backs

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:40 PM

So has Stewart, his average is barely over 40 yards per game rushing, while Williams is sitting around 48 yards per game. Neither one of them has been absolutely spectacular over the last 32 games with Newton. Both had down years this season and had pretty decent-good years last season considering they split carries.


This isn't the Vikings....offense isn't build around a RB running. It is being built around a QB, who also eats into a ground attack. Highly paid runners aren't needed bc they aren't going to be leaned on.

700 yards and 4 TDs isn't a good year when you look at cost

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

If we are only going off production, you would cut Deangelo AND Stewart. Panthers are paying both guys like they are top 5 running backs

Can't eat both deals...but need to start making progress on our mess.

But based in what they are giving us both are bad deals.

Look at Newton/Tolbert vs Double Trouble only using Panther numbers the last 2 years. Double Trouble is getting pimp slapped by a QB and a FB with only 1 yr factoring in terms of rushing production

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

Um, Williams has rushed for an average of 40 yards a game in the Newton era.

It isn't as if we cut him and only have Stewart and Tolbert. You replace Williams with a new body. One that FITS what they want. They demoted him essentially twice in two years for a reason. His production simply hasn't been much....he is very much replaceable at a better cost.

But lets keep the expense square peg luxury.....


Um, we have had a offensive coordinator that does not like to run ball. He didnt last year and he didnt this year. And when he did it was the read option bull poo that screwed up the entire offense the first half of the season. Since we have been back to a conventional offense D Will has produced. The Qb has been the leading rusher the last 2 years and thats more a fault of D Will???

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:04 PM

Um, we have had a offensive coordinator that does not like to run ball. He didnt last year and he didnt this year. And when he did it was the read option bull poo that screwed up the entire offense the first half of the season. Since we have been back to a conventional offense D Will has produced. The Qb has been the leading rusher the last 2 years and thats more a fault of D Will???


And we need to give our coaching staff what they want....if Chud is back give him what he wants.

Past 2 consecutive years the best rushing attack in the NFL has featured a stready mix in of read option. It works. We still use it consistantly just not full retard.....only get noticeable dialed backed in games Cam gets gimpy bc of hits.

Also, last 6 weeks during the "conventional" stretch.....Newton has lead us in rushing 4 of 6 games.

Don't need to waste money on RBs unless we are going to play ball where they are featured. Cam Newton pretty much kills that regardless of coach

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

And we need to give our coaching staff what they want....if Chud is back give him what he wants.

Past 2 consecutive years the best rushing attack in the NFL has featured a stready mix in of read option. It works. We still use it consistantly just not full retard.....only get noticeable dialed backed in games Cam gets gimpy bc of hits.

Also, last 6 weeks during the "conventional" stretch.....Newton has lead us in rushing 4 of 6 games.

Don't need to waste money on RBs unless we are going to play ball where they are featured. Cam Newton pretty much kills that regardless of coach


And after watching him go down again today you SHOULDNT be okay with this. This team needs to get back to running ball with RBs and a line that can block and not put Cams body at risk so much. Its not a philosophy you want to depend on just nice to have in your back pocket. Read option either pays off big or back fires HORRIBLY. You should know that. Regardless of whether we keep D Will or get rid of him we are still paying RBs a lot of money to do much of nothing.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:17 PM

And after watching him go down again today you SHOULDNT be okay with this. This team needs to get back to running ball with RBs and a line that can block and not put Cams body at risk so much. Its not a philosophy you want to depend on just nice to have in your back pocket. Read option either pays off big or back fires HORRIBLY. You should know that. Regardless of whether we keep D Will or get rid of him we are still paying RBs a lot of money to do much of nothing.


With the O-line play lately Cams been more likely to get injured standing in the pocket than trying to run it

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

And after watching him go down again today you SHOULDNT be okay with this. This team needs to get back to running ball with RBs and a line that can block and not put Cams body at risk so much. Its not a philosophy you want to depend on just nice to have in your back pocket. Read option either pays off big or back fires HORRIBLY. You should know that. Regardless of whether we keep D Will or get rid of him we are still paying RBs a lot of money to do much of nothing.


He hurt his leg passing.

We need to invest in our OL. Protect Cam, aid the pass and whoever runs the ball.

What we did paying all these RBs was dumb. Would be dumb if you were building around any franchise QB. Dumber one who naturally produces on the ground.

We can pay big money to a RB when Cam isn't a young man.

Newton is what he is. Embrace it. His legs are part if the deal. Strip that away and the unique mismatch he gives....he wouldn't be special. Give him help where he needs it. D, OL, WR....try to win as much while he is in his window of being a freak. He will never be Peyton.....no point in limiting what he is.

None of that means don't run RBs. None of that means make Cam the primary runner.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:34 PM

Jstew played for Chip Kelly, no? just saying.


Yah get Chip Kelly out of your head. No chance in hell JR hires him, especially if he asked "Who's Jim Harbaugh?"