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Is Cam just a bad read option QB?


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#41 Chimera

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

It is funny when people talk about protecting him by keeping him from running. But almost every one of his minor injuries this year have come in the pocket.

ikr?

Vick's concussions come from the pocket.
Theissman's leg, anyone?
Hell, Carson Palmer?



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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

what I meant to say was running it as you primary offense (and being successful) is more gimmicky.

There is too much talent and speed on defenses for the Read Option to be a primary offensive scheme.

Sprinkle it in and it is fine. Try and run it as a base offense and you will fail.

there's very little difference between read option and other run first offenses other than there being two possible runners.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:20 AM

what I meant to say was running it as you primary offense (and being successful) is more gimmicky.

There is too much talent and speed on defenses for the Read Option to be a primary offensive scheme.

Sprinkle it in and it is fine. Try and run it as a base offense and you will fail.


Really that's true for most any play.

FWIW Cam/Rg3/Niners Guy and even Luck and Russel can run it with success.

To much of anything fails in the NFL.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:20 AM

ikr?

Vick's concussions come from the pocket.
Theissman's leg, anyone?
Hell, Carson Palmer?

tom brady.

peyton mannings neck injuries happened when?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:21 AM

No it isn't.

It's a play.


Gimmicks are triple reverses and the Annexation of Puerto Rico, etc NFL is changing.

yep.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

go back and check out what Miami did with the Wildcat.

Something very different than what teams were accustomed to seeing. They were VERY successful in running it for ONE season. Once teams figured it out....they shut it down.

Go back and watch the 1996 Panthers Defense. Dom Capers was running an exotic defensive scheme (gimmick). It was VERY successful until GB showed how to play it. Then it was shut down.

Gimmick offenses and defenses (something no one has seen before) are usually VERY short lived in the NFL. Teams figure them out and they are basically shut down.


There are just as good of coaches in in college as there is in the NFL. Perhaps even better coaches. And they still haven't figured it out.

That is because it is virtually impossible to account for everyone on the field like that.

With the Wildcat you really don't have to account for the receivers so you can bring both safeties up for run support. You don't have that luxury with the read option.

And one other thing. No one runs the spread option offense in the NFL the way it should be ran. Not Was, Sea, SF, or Carolina.

If a team really wanted to run a great spread option type offense, all they have to do is watch Peyton Manning's offense. Quick or no huddles, get to the line of scrimmage, make the defense show their hand, make adjustment according to what defense is doing. Only difference is that you have a QB that the defense also has to account for. It makes it virtually unstoppable. Granted in order for it to actually work in the NFL you have to have a QB that can also throw the ball. You couldn't get away with it in the NFL if the QB was just an athlete.

I don't think you can now call that offense a gimmick. It is mainstream in college now and is making its way to the NFL.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:34 AM

I don't have the mind power to wade through all 4 pages of this filth. Just know that RG3s offensive line was much better than Cam's. His LT is headed to the Pro Bowl and they utilized a quick passing attack not a long downfield passing attack.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

Really that's true for most any play.

FWIW Cam/Rg3/Niners Guy and even Luck and Russel can run it with success.

To much of anything fails in the NFL.

you run the ball too much, teams are gonna stop you. you pass the ball too much, teams are going to stop you. it may take a few plays, a few games, or even a season or two depending on how well you do it and how new it is, but it will eventually be stopped.

the wildcat's failing was that it was predictable. you stick an RB back there and guess whats gonna happen 90% of the time....he's gonna run. the principle was sound, tho...put someone back there who is a threat to either run or throw and you make that guy dangerous. balance had to be there for it to be most effective, tho. pass enough to keep the defense from completely boxing in the backfield, but run often enough that the D has to keep an eye on it rather than on stopping the pass.

our run game failed in 2010 after such a dynamic year prior because we focused to much energy on running and didn't do enough in the passing game for the defense to not worry about sending in 8, 9, or even 10 rushers to the backfield. there was no balance and we got killed.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

Washington runs theirs differently than we do.

Cam is more of a power threat and can score in the redzone and get first downs on 3rd and 4th and 1.

RG3 is more of a speed threat and gashes teams to the edge.

Just different styles.


Someone call me when RG3 powers past a big pile of doods for a goal line TD.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

Cam Newton is a great read option QB. Best in the NFL.

Next question. He is the only one built to do it.

The RB play this year was more crap G play w/ no holes than anything in the read option as well as overusage of it.


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