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This is crazy! (Jason Taylor on NFL player injuries)

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[quote name='captfluoro' timestamp='1358187262' post='2096367']

Not really. A PICC line goes into one of the veins in your upper arm, usually on the inside of your bicep, and has the end in your superior vena cava, the large vein in your chest that returns blood from the upper half of your body to the heart. The tip isn't in the heart since it could cause heart arrythmias bouncing around in there. I would think the big problem as was stated would be infection. PICC lines are direct conduits to your heart and central bloodstream. Getting sweat and possible dirt in it would be bad.
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Thanks for the info, I'm still shocked that a team would allow someone to play under those conditions.

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The worst part of the whole article? The very last line of the article:

[quote] [color=#1A2732][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]“Would I do it all again? I would,” Taylor says.[b] “If I had to sleep on the steps standing up for 15 years, I would do it.”[/b] [/font][/color][/quote]



The man has no regrets for any of it. He is not attempting to encourage current players to think about their health and life after football. Any one person that will endure all of that pain and suffering for a game is not a hero or courageous or a role model. He's essentially saying "Look what I endured. If I can go through this pain for the game, so can you." It's irresponsible and he, the NFL, NFLPA, the Miami Dolphins and the Washington Redskins should all be ashamed of it.

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[quote name='raleigh-panther' timestamp='1358204508' post='2096953']
Do not understand why the Union did not insist on larger rosters in general and larger rosters on game day.

That would stop a lot of this.

The other thing is weight limits on these players. We really do not need 350 lb plus lineman for this game to be enjoyable.

The human body is not designed to carry that much weight.

It is simply a matter of time before a player dies on the field.

Then, just like the brain injury business, will the NFL get serious about protecting these men, from themselves and predatory owners.

I read the full story today and it disturbed me....disturbed me worst than what my Ortho Surgeon (who used to be the Giants Ortho) shared about what he and the other 3 doctors did to get those men ready to play as they were 'commodoties'.
[/quote]goodell and the nfl have been taking measures to try and protect players only to be accused of trying to kill the game.

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[quote name='captfluoro' timestamp='1358188108' post='2096386']
Really? That's nothing. I can describe some really gross stuff if you'd like.
[/quote]no thanks. i'm a wuss with that whole human blood and organ stuff.

with animals its no big deal, but humans......*shiver*

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This all comes down to free will. Every one of these guys can walk away from the game if they so choose. Barry Sanders did it. Many others have done it. These guys nowadays can't cry ignorance like the guys who played 30 years ago are doing today regarding concussions. Most of the consequences are out on the table for you to see today. If you choose to play, not matter your reason, it's a choice you make. Do I feel bad when a guy gets severly injured in a game, hell yes I do. But that player made a choice to play and accept the consequences.

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[quote name='SCP' timestamp='1358217488' post='2097237']
This all comes down to free will. Every one of these guys can walk away from the game if they so choose. Barry Sanders did it. Many others have done it. These guys nowadays can't cry ignorance like the guys who played 30 years ago are doing today regarding concussions. Most of the consequences are out on the table for you to see today. If you choose to play, not matter your reason, it's a choice you make. Do I feel bad when a guy gets severly injured in a game, hell yes I do. But that player made a choice to play and accept the consequences.
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I had a big debate with my friend and friends dad about this. I agree with you 100%, but they were saying some do not really have a "choice." A lot are born into poverty, didn't finish their degrees, or really didnt earn there degrees. Football is the only way they can help there families get out of the ghetto or make something of themselves. While I don't agree with this completely, just some food for thought.

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I had a big debate with my friend and friends dad about this. I agree with you 100%, but they were saying some do not really have a "choice." A lot are born into poverty, didn't finish their degrees, or really didnt earn there degrees. Football is the only way they can help there families get out of the ghetto or make something of themselves. While I don't agree with this completely, just some food for thought.
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They were born into poverty but 99.9% were given a free ride to the best universities in the country. The choice to leave early and not finish school is a decision each player has to make. They all have a choice. They might get bad advice or be mislead by relatives crying poor, but they could easily go to school in the summers to finish their degree. 85% of pro athletes are bankrupt 3 years after their careers are over. The average pro career is about 3 years. If a player chooses to run for the money it's free will. If he eds up playing in the league for 20 years and suffers body altering injuries, it's free will.

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While I certainly respect the 'free will' discussion, there is also the ethical need to provide employees with reasonable safety.

By 'free will', many went into the coal mines.

by 'free will' many work in slaughter houses.

By 'free will' many opt to be teachers.

by 'free will' some of us work for companies that change our retirements and such.

Now, of course, we are talking about people who make a lot of money to play a pro sport and the comparison of someone having to work in a coal mine to a pro football player are vastly different jobs; but, by course of law, what is reasonable and what is not for that envrionment.

Expecting a player to endure a catheter or take an injection that would threaten or atrophy his muscles or to play after multple head trauma is not reasonable.

Again, there are things that can be done to extremes, either say 'there is no risk or you chose the risk' or to say make it touch football or eliminate the sport all together.

I would like to think that the NFL really does want to make the game safer and they can do this by doing some simple things but like most companies and corporations, they are not altruistic and will not show any compunction to make things safer until forced.

It seems reasonable to me, that if more games are being played 16 vs what used to be 12, and the recovery times are shorter, sunday to Thursday nights now, that having more players a) on the roster and b. more players available to be active on game day does nothing but help this situation, along with a longer look at weight limits that would help long term health of these players when they leave the game.

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