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[Sloth]

Yea cause it's not QBs who win in this league...it's COORDINATORS!

Coaching has nothing to do with wins! It's all on the players! That's why the Dream-team Eagles rocked the world!

[Doc Holiday]

laugh at every single one of you on this board that wanted Chud gone

[Razeyfingers]

What if John Fox goes to the playoffs again next year?

[dbulls874]

Coaching has nothing to do with wins! It's all on the players! That's why the Dream-team Eagles rocked the world!

Oh, coaching has SOMETHING to do with it. But in coach-hiring season, people act like hiring the right assisstant special teams coordinator is going to make or break the next year. We still have Cam, and until further notice, they have Weeden. They could hire Bill Walsh to coach the offense and Vince Lombardi to coach the defense and I'd still like our chances to be better in '13.

[Doc Holiday]

Coaching has nothing to do with wins! It's all on the players! That's why the Dream-team Eagles rocked the world!

Eagles talent evaluation is always way overrated, so is the Cowboys, because they are big market teams their players get more attention, I never understood for a minute why everyone thought the Eagles were going to do good last season, in fact you could probably find of post from me talking about just this very thing back in august.

general rule, the bigger the city the more overrated the talent evaluation

[rayzor]

laugh at every single one of you on this board that wanted Chud gone

i didn't want chud gone.

i wanted rivera gone.

[Doc Holiday]

What if John Fox goes to the playoffs again next year?

he's playing in the easiest division in the NFL I expect him to be in the playoffs next year

[Razeyfingers]

I know, its one of those just sayin moments, hehe I retract my obnoxiousness

[PhillyB]

bitter laughter

[Doc Holiday]

i didn't want chud gone.

i wanted rivera gone.

well if Rivera was gone Chud would have been gone too, I mainly wanted Rivera back because of Chud, I've always been of the opinion that Rivera given enough time would bring the defense around, and Chud could keep the offense rolling to bring us into the playoffs next season, now though I'm doubtful, basically I think because he left we've just wasted a year before it started and that drives me up the wall

[rayzor]

well if Rivera was gone Chud would have been gone too, I mainly wanted Rivera back because of Chud, I've always been of the opinion that Rivera given enough time would bring the defense around, and Chud could keep the offense rolling to bring us into the playoffs next season, now though I'm doubtful, basically I think because he left we've just wasted a year before it started and that drives me up the wall

i should have said i wanted the whole bunch of them gone. thought that was understood in wanting rivera fired.

but yeah...throw away year.

nobody can tell me any different. all that's left is the 2013 season to prove it.

i mean if rivera can make this work....cool. i just see no evidence that he can. i see no evidence that this team knows what it's doing.

[Goondal]

If Chud out performed Rivera it would not shock me. If he won twelve games in Cleveland though it would take me weeks to recover from the alcohol induced coma.

[1bigdawg]

Just because a staff is notable doesn't necessarily make it the perfect combonation. They have an unproven QB, an unstable line, unproven running game, bad receivers, no tight end for Chud to have fun with right now. And that's just the offense. Needless to say, they're still the Browns.

I came on to read the different thoughts on chud since he was your O.C. and now our head coach. I seen this post and laughed and had to respond.
So when you say unstable line do you mean the one that sent 2 to the pro bowl 2 yeras ago, with center alex mack, and perenial probowler left tackle joe thomas? Plus schwartz that we drafted last year to sure up the R.T. spot. Btw I just looked up the best O-lines in the nfl and cleveland is 5th. We do need a gaurd too sure up the interior, but o line is not our problem. D line while not full of house hold names that is fine also. LB is a different story and i would give you that we need OLB, CB, and a passing down edge rusher.
I would take richardson over any RB on your roster in a heartbeat. The guy played with fractured ribs nearly all season missed all of training camp and still almost had 1000 yds. Has D.Williams lived up to the 40+ million contract yet?

I like what cleveland has for WR also. Gordon went through a stint in 2011 with the dropsies but turned that around this year. And Gordon who didnt even play football in 2011 looked very good all year. So with another year to gel and weeds getting away from the dreaded predictable Shurmer WCO, and having chud and turner I can see a big turn around this year for those guys.

Lets look at your cap space while Claytons numbers are said to be rough he has you almost 12 million in the red. not sure who you guys have for F.A. to sign, but cuts will be made. Steve Smith is set to make 6.25 million this year and turning 34 this spring do you keep him or Trade him while he still has value or cut him? (i would trade him). Or what about De. Williams? Is he going to live up to that 8.2million this year or get benched again for stewart? So i wouldnt be looking at Carolina making any big FA moves or signings.
Now the browns are set at 2nd best in cap space with over 48 million to spend and the only notable FA are cribbs and he may be back. He hasnt steped up in the wr position and may be too expensive to be soley a special team player after the new kickoff rules. And Dawson will be back. They are not going to find anyone that is money like he is.While I hope they don't go over board on FA there are some names that I would like to see the browns snag.
So is it out of the question that the browns will have a better record than Carolina while playing in a tougher division than you? I can see it.

[FootballMaestro]

Let's say Chud wins 12 games and wins his division makes the playoffs, while Rivera only wins 8 games for 3rd place in the NFC South, what would be your reaction? Regret? Anger?

I would like to think that the Panthers talent on both sides of the ball (especially Cam, Luke, Kraken, and maybe Olsen, Smith and Double Trouble) would insure the Panthers a better record--even in a tougher division, vs the better coaching staff that Chud has assembled.

If not: Then I would have hoped that JR fired Rivera or Rivera would have fired Chud at the end of the season, so maybe the Panthers would have Norv Turner or Hue Jackson instead.

[panthers55]

If Cleveland wins 12 games next year I am going to go to church every day instead of just on Sundays. Hell is freezing over and the world is actually coming to an end.