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#1 Deebo

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

When is this mentality going to change in the NFL.....its 2013 and we still dont give minority coaches a chance....currently there are 4 minority coaches out of 32....even with superbowls wins and appearance by black head coaches and GMs

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#2 PhillyB

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

i'm in support of the rooney rule. i think it's important in a good-ol'-boy structure (which fits NFL owners to a tee) to make sure there are systems in place to eradicate any leftover prejudices from an era where that sort of thing was a social norm and accepted behavior.

however, given the diversity of minorities in head coaching and front office positions around the league, i'd say this is an anomaly. i'm open to being challenged otherwise, but i don't think there's anything to see here.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:38 PM

If black players dominate the league, it is not because they are black, it is because the talent evaluators feel that they give the team the best chance to win. The same talent evaluators select the coaches. The coach that give the team the best chance to win is hired--if he is black, white, or hispanic. I would hope that a minority would want a job because he is the most qualified, not because some stupid quota forced a team to hire him.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:43 PM

the goal is to win. No one gives a fug if you are not white anymore. To much money to lose if you pass on a non-white guy who is more qualified.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:44 PM

nfl already made a statement.

Here's what NFL Exec VP of Human Resources Robert Gulliver had to say in reaction to questions about the league's hiring practices for head coaches and GMs: "While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity. The Rooney Rule has been a valuable tool in expanding diversity and inclusion in hiring practices, but there is more work to do, especially around increasing and strengthening the pipeline of diverse candidates for head coach and senior football executive positions. We have already started the process of developing a plan for additional steps that will better ensure more diversity and inclusion on a regular basis in our hiring results. We look forward to discussing these steps with our advisers to ensure that our employment, development and equal opportunity programs are both robust and successful."

about 4 hours ago

NFL statement on hiring practices: http://sulia.com/cha...9-0383bfab4122/

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

If black players dominate the league, it is not because they are black, it is because the talent evaluators feel that they give the team the best chance to win. The same talent evaluators select the coaches. The coach that give the team the best chance to win is hired--if he is black, white, or hispanic. I would hope that a minority would want a job because he is the most qualified, not because some stupid quota forced a team to hire him.


I agree with your main point but those players genetics do have a huge impact on their dominance and being black is a part of that. So I read "black" in these cases as "genetically gifted" knowing that skin color itself is irrelevant.

#7 Dick the Butcher

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

i believe this is all bullshit. nfl coaching is a fraternity. they stick with who they know, and that's it. it has nothing to do with whether you are black or white. it has everything to do with who you know. breaking into the nfl in general is hard enough as it is unless you're a chick that wants to be in the public relations dept. on its face, it isn't racism; it's cronyism. if it has a disparate impact on minorities, it's because nfl organizations want to keep it "all in the family," so to speak, not because they want to keep minorities out.

whether or not having minority coaches is a good thing is another issue. i, for one, think it would be. but turning all this into a race relations stunt is ludicrous.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

i'm in support of the rooney rule. i think it's important in a good-ol'-boy structure (which fits NFL owners to a tee) to make sure there are systems in place to eradicate any leftover prejudices from an era where that sort of thing was a social norm and accepted behavior.

however, given the diversity of minorities in head coaching and front office positions around the league, i'd say this is an anomaly. i'm open to being challenged otherwise, but i don't think there's anything to see here.



This is about as real as you can get folks. For all the reasons you gave supporting the Rooney Rule are exactly the same reasons why i find it offensive and a joke. I'm an amputee, and if someone more qualified than I, were to be passed over for a position just so a company could say they hired the handicapped guy(while i would still take the job) I have to say i would feel ashamed as if i didn't earn my station.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll can coach. Teams will hire the best coach for the job. If there was a coach who was a minority who could coach like Harbaugh, Carroll or Belichik, he would be hired immediately.

Also I don't see why there is a discussion when too many coaches are white but you never here a discussion about too many players being black or too many owners being Jewish.

The word is 'minority'. It's not a surprise that a minority of the coaches are minorities.

I'm not going to bother researching it but I would guess there is accurate representation of minority coaches (compared to the population of the United States). I would also guess that the white coaches who have been hired recently have done a good job (Fox, Carroll, Harbaugh, Shanahan come to mind the past few years).

#10 Dick the Butcher

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:50 PM

I agree with your main point but those players genetics do have a huge impact on their dominance and being black is a part of that. So I read "black" in these cases as "genetically gifted" knowing that skin color itself is irrelevant.


some would say this statement is racist. all would say it is stereotyping. those same people are bitching about no minority head coaches being hired. you have to be careful deciding which side you're on, and subsequently how you argue that side.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:56 PM

some would say this statement is racist. all would say it is stereotyping. those same people are bitching about no minority head coaches being hired. you have to be careful deciding which side you're on, and subsequently how you argue that side.


Racist as hatred? Or racist as in acknowledging genetic differences? Because I'm fairly certain I don't hate anyone for something that is far and away from something they could control.

#12 Dick the Butcher

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:58 PM

Racist as hatred? Or racist as in acknowledging genetic differences? Because I'm fairly certain I don't hate anyone for something that is far and away from something they could control.


yeah, i wasn't calling you racist. i was more just highlighting the ignorance of the people who are out there shouting from the rooftops that the nfl is racist. nothing personal. you just happen to illustrate a point i was trying to make.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

the goal is to win. No one gives a fug if you are not white anymore. To much money to lose if you pass on a non-white guy who is more qualified.

This guy begs to differ
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Not only did Ray Horton not get the HC job, but he was also fired.

#14 Kral

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

yeah, i wasn't calling you racist. i was more just highlighting the ignorance of the people who are out there shouting from the rooftops that the nfl is racist. nothing personal. you just happen to illustrate a point i was trying to make.


I see what you mean repped :D

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

This guy begs to differ
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Not only did Ray Horton not get the HC job, but he was also fired.

He was fired cause he threw a fit when they hired bruce arians


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