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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:04 AM

Shurmur's Browns offense was god awful too

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

Shurmur's Browns offense was god awful too


It sucks that we only had Shula and Shurmur to choose from.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

Scary thought for me is that Rivera gets fired midseason and we have to promote from within for an interim coach. Interim coach finishes 6-2, and we are now seriously considering giving them the position permanently.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:00 AM

Scary thought for me is that Rivera gets fired midseason and we have to promote from within for an interim coach. Interim coach finishes 6-2, and we are now seriously considering giving them the position permanently.


That's the beauty of the hire(s).

We (Rivera) decided against hiring anyone with any actual experience as an assistant HC/HC in the NFL. Except Skipper, who nobody is going to promote.

Rivera has all of the next season.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

Why all the we are going to have to fire Rivera mid season??? Has Richardson ever fired a coach midseason?? Even when they went 1-15??

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

Again, why would Shula be promoted over Jackson and Shurmur if Rivera thought he couldn't so the job and do it well?? I remember all the bitching about Chud based on what he did in Cleveland. How did that work out?? The game has gone to a quarterback driven offense in the past 12 years making him more relevant since that is what he does best. How did he do with Garrard??

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

Again, why would Shula be promoted over Jackson and Shurmur if Rivera thought he couldn't so the job and do it well??



Isn't that obvious?

Shula is Rivera's best hope at keeping his job. Not because he is the best OC available, but because he does not have to completely overhaul the current offense.

Hiring an outsider offensive coordinator would mean the entire offensive staff would be gone and a completely new offensive system in place. A new playbook. New terminology for the players to learn. New chemistry to be developed between players and coaches. Often, this can take more than one season to start yielding results.

Rivera does not have more than one season. If the Panthers do not win this year, he is gone. He knows it, everyone knows it.

So put yourself in his shoes. Knowing you can only lose 7 games next season or your ass is fired, would you

1: Hire a completely new offensive staff and implement a new system knowing in all likelyhood it will take a good of time to develop into a good offense if ever at all. or...

2. Promote from within and hope the current offense can be good enough to get you 9 wins. No learning curve, fewer variables.

Lets be clear here. The Shula hire was not made because he was the best candidate. Shula was hired because it presented the best option for Rivera to possibly win 9 games next season. It was a last ditch short term job saving hire. Any considerations past 2013 are an afterthought.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

Maybe it will help that he has a QB this time. You guys think way too deep, just try looking at the obvious things first. Give the guy a chance.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

Maybe it will help that he has a QB this time. You guys think way too deep, just try looking at the obvious things first. Give the guy a chance.



The entire offense improved greatly once he was canned.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Isn't that obvious?

Shula is Rivera's best hope at keeping his job. Not because he is the best OC available, but because he does not have to completely overhaul the current offense.

Hiring an outsider offensive coordinator would mean the entire offensive staff would be gone and a completely new offensive system in place. A new playbook. New terminology for the players to learn. New chemistry to be developed between players and coaches. Often, this can take more than one season to start yielding results.

Rivera does not have more than one season. If the Panthers do not win this year, he is gone. He knows it, everyone knows it.

So put yourself in his shoes. Knowing you can only lose 7 games next season or your ass is fired, would you

1: Hire a completely new offensive staff and implement a new system knowing in all likelyhood it will take a good of time to develop into a good offense if ever at all. or...

2. Promote from within and hope the current offense can be good enough to get you 9 wins. No learning curve, fewer variables.

Lets be clear here. The Shula hire was not made because he was the best candidate. Shula was hired because it presented the best option for Rivera to possibly win 9 games next season. It was a last ditch short term job saving hire. Any considerations past 2013 are an afterthought.


I think you are right in saying he had to win now and couldn't wait for a few years but that is hardly his fault. if JR told him that they are looking for the long term and he has the 2 years left on his contract to get things fixed then he could have the time to perhaps go with a new system.
But I am not convinced the system needed changes or was broken. And if you consider we want to go with the same system, perhaps he was the better candidate to continue what we had already established. If Shula can get keep things together and run the offense and we end up with 9 or 10 wins next year then he has done a good job and he should be the OC going forward.
I can see Rivera having a short term perspective but honestly so do all the fans. Given where we are right now and all the issues, Shula is the best candidate for the job.


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