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#25 carpanfan96

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:44 AM

When the Giants took JPP there team was also much more solid that ours. So while DE wasn't their primary need, their primary needs weren't as much of a liability as ours are. Not really comparable, IMO.


They didn't have a mlb under contract and also had needs at dt, cb, ol and rb. The season before the Giants gave up the third most points in the nfl. They took him with glaring needs at lb and cb because he was bpa and a pass rusher.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:40 AM

They didn't have a mlb under contract and also had needs at dt, cb, ol and rb. The season before the Giants gave up the third most points in the nfl. They took him with glaring needs at lb and cb because he was bpa and a pass rusher.


MLB is the only area of superior need that you listed. The Giants had talented players at those other positions, but they had been ravaged by injuries in 2009. For instance you call CB a glaring need, when they had Corey Webster, Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas as their top three guys. Not All-Pros, but not horrible either, they simply never got to play together because of aforementioned injuries. In addition, I'm guessing people immediately see the name Tuck and Umenyiora and think great pass rush, when that wasn't the case for a large part of the 2009 season. DE was actually more of a need for them than people believe, and it came down to them simply viewing both DE and LB's as needs, but preferring the talent available at DE.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

Pending what we do with our current roster, WR and OL are top priority. Our d-line generated a lot of pressure last season and if we keep D'wan, we're fine for the time being especially given our rotations with Hardy & Alexander inside. I'd much rather look to the later rounds for a NT like that Geathers kid or something.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:13 AM

I go back to what Gettlemen said ("QB, touchdown makers, pass rushers, and big guys")\
Then Mayock said something I seem to hear this time of year "4 cornerstones of a team are DE (pass rushers), #1 CB, QB, and LT (big guys).

To me, you take the LT. The LT protects the QB. Your current LT is in decline and is aging out. LTs are hard to find unless you draft in the top 15 each year; we do not expect that in 2014. While Joekel and Fisher expect to be gone, Lane Johnson will be in the mix. After the combine, I expect LJ to rise to a mid-first grade.

There are about 7-10 starting CBs in this draft. If you can get a Rhodes, Ryan, Poyer, etc, in the second round, you laugh about it because you just drafted 2 of the four cornerstones. You already had the other 2 (Cam and CJ).

What about G? Draft one later and sign a free agent. You cleared about $7-9 million to shop free agency, so sign a RG to a short contract and develop a RG;

What about DT? Draft one later and sign one in free agency. Glen Dorsey might flourish in a 4-3; give him a cheap, one-year deal. Detroit has a few that are leaving. We could bring in one or 2 for about $5m.

What about WR? This bothers me, but we have Smitty, Gettis, Lafell, Smitty, Adams, Pilares. Maybe the new OC and WR coach will find talent in what we have. IT is there. Nonetheless, I would watch the waiver wire.

Besides, they are not cornerstones. LT is one. LT, CB, and then G or WR. DT.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:53 AM

I'd be fuging pissed if we drafted Hankins. Dude is not that great and just doesn't seem to have a great motor. Richardson would be the best DT to take. He is fast. He shreds Olinemen like nothing and can chase down RBs sideline to sideline. Also he is a great pass rusher from inside. After him Williams would be nice. He is a bulldozer. The suggestion that we may take a DE is hilarious. I'd bet every penny I made for the rest of my life that we are definitely not going to take a DE. Our first pick is 100% garaunteed to be a OG, OT, DT, or WR.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:29 AM

I go back to what Gettlemen said ("QB, touchdown makers, pass rushers, and big guys")\
Then Mayock said something I seem to hear this time of year "4 cornerstones of a team are DE (pass rushers), #1 CB, QB, and LT (big guys).

To me, you take the LT. The LT protects the QB. Your current LT is in decline and is aging out. LTs are hard to find unless you draft in the top 15 each year; we do not expect that in 2014. While Joekel and Fisher expect to be gone, Lane Johnson will be in the mix. After the combine, I expect LJ to rise to a mid-first grade.

There are about 7-10 starting CBs in this draft. If you can get a Rhodes, Ryan, Poyer, etc, in the second round, you laugh about it because you just drafted 2 of the four cornerstones. You already had the other 2 (Cam and CJ).

What about G? Draft one later and sign a free agent. You cleared about $7-9 million to shop free agency, so sign a RG to a short contract and develop a RG;

What about DT? Draft one later and sign one in free agency. Glen Dorsey might flourish in a 4-3; give him a cheap, one-year deal. Detroit has a few that are leaving. We could bring in one or 2 for about $5m.

What about WR? This bothers me, but we have Smitty, Gettis, Lafell, Smitty, Adams, Pilares. Maybe the new OC and WR coach will find talent in what we have. IT is there. Nonetheless, I would watch the waiver wire.

Besides, they are not cornerstones. LT is one. LT, CB, and then G or WR. DT.


It would be great if we could trade back in round 1, getting a round 3 pick
Pick 1 : LT (Fluker, Johnson.. should be available late round 1, haven't watched any of them yet, so won't decide which one)
Pick 2 : WR (Patton, Patterson or Allen would be huge mid round 2...)
Pick 3 : CB (This seems to be a deep CB draft, we should have some value in round 3).

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

It would be great if we could trade back in round 1, getting a round 3 pick
Pick 1 : LT (Fluker, Johnson.. should be available late round 1, haven't watched any of them yet, so won't decide which one)
Pick 2 : WR (Patton, Patterson or Allen would be huge mid round 2...)
Pick 3 : CB (This seems to be a deep CB draft, we should have some value in round 3).

Fluker would not be bad, he has tremendous arm length (87 inch wingspan; 36 inches long) but they say he is a bit sluggish to play LT. I don't know that losing 30 lbs Would not cure that. If I am wrong, he could still play RT and possibly RG.

I personally think that if we trade back, Johnson is going to the Rams at 16. I think a lot of people do not think he is ready to start, but I think his pass-blocking skills are on point now. He needs to add 10-15 pounds of muscle, but he is high character and will work. If we keep Gross for another season, then you can wait until the third and take a guy like Quessenberriy, a guy few know about, but he looked solid in drills. Needs to add 20 lbs.

I am afraid Patton Patterson and Allen will be gone when we pick.

CB is deep, but I think starters will be gone by about pick 50. I think we can grab a nickel corner in the third or fourth.

Just my thoughts. Love the personnel you are thinking about though--we all seem to be on the same page. (I think we draft a DT late and get one in free agency)