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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:16 PM

With our offense, its just not practical to have both D'lo and Stewart. You don't maximize their abilities and talents with 4 guys in a backfield the way we are set up. You have to think something will happen to one of them.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Godda keep Dlow and figure out how to get him in open space to let him do his thing...we need him.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

Why don't we run formations that take advantage of both RBs? Wishbone, I formation whatever.

I know this isn't madden but...

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

Why don't we run formations that take advantage of both RBs? Wishbone, I formation whatever.

I know this isn't madden but...

Speaking of hypotetical, I've often heard running backs that spit carries complain about not getting into a rhythm. I've also wondered why we don't use one for an entire half, then switch.
Let Stew pound them for half an hour, then put in the fresh and fast D-lo.
I wonder why that isn't feasible?

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

I think people need to move on from the Fox era.....and Double Trouble represents all that is the Fox way of life.

What production from Williams are you arguing can't be ignored? What he did years ago? He hasn't done much under Ron Rivera. Sure, he can still pop one if given a nice fat hole but he doesn't fit what they want to do (which is why Ron essentially benched him both seasons in favor of a different style as the main RB).

Cam, Tolbert, and Stewart.....just with those 3. There aren't enough carries for Stewart to earn his paycheck running an offense that maximizes all Newton has to offer.

You want Double Trouble?! You want a QB like Jimmy Clausen then.....then there would be carries to justify their contract.


40+ catches in 2011.. Stew definitely fits a different mold this offense is trying to utilize..


Godda keep Dlow and figure out how to get him in open space to let him do his thing...we need him.


a lot of money to pay a scat back you simply try to get in open space...

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

I think people need to move on from the Fox era.....and Double Trouble represents all that is the Fox way of life.

What production from Williams are you arguing can't be ignored? What he did years ago? He hasn't done much under Ron Rivera. Sure, he can still pop one if given a nice fat hole but he doesn't fit what they want to do (which is why Ron essentially benched him both seasons in favor of a different style as the main RB).

Cam, Tolbert, and Stewart.....just with those 3. There aren't enough carries for Stewart to earn his paycheck running an offense that maximizes all Newton has to offer.

You want Double Trouble?! You want a QB like Jimmy Clausen then.....then there would be carries to justify their contract.


Threaten us with teh jimmya why don't ya. If your arguement is weak, throw in teh jimmya.

You sure go to great lengths to downplay DWill. DWill is a homerun threat. Stew is not. Does not matter how they get popped. DWill is still more likely to pop one than Stew. They both run behind the same line. They both have the same opportunity to pop one. Stew is good at what he does, but he ain't gonna scare anyone with his popability. And believe it or not. Popability is important.

So you are saying that the only way to maximize Cam is him carrying the ball 15-20+ times a game?
Oh, okay. Because, imo, that is the only way you can negate the need for quality RBs. And personally, I think that it is also slightly shortsighted. Because it's hard enough to keep your QB healthy without running him unnecessarily.

If you are going to run Cam that much you don't need either DWill or Stew. Which I guess may affect the cap. But then again, you believe we can just plug in any RB and be good to go. So the cap isn't an issue for that RB corp. Just don't expect as much production.

Cam's running ability is a proven comodity. The threat is already there. You don't have to continue to run him to scare people. They are already scared. You do however need to be able to run the ball with someone other than Cam. DWill is the scarier RB, and I like that thought. You like Stew and his 4 yards of dust.

To keep Cam a threat, you need RBs who are a threat. No name RBs may not be enough of a threat to support Cam. If the D is not worried about your RB, they can key on Cam. You might as well call Freddie, cuz that is a nightmare.

So I say. Cut Stew and renegotiate DWill. If we are going to lose one or the other, I would prefer it be Stew.

tl/dr version.
I am damm sure positive that over the course of their careers. DWill has a poo ton more "Explosive Plays" than Stew. And isn't that what we all have been pining for this offseason? Playmakers? I say, don't lose out, without at least a struggle, on one of the prescious few you do happen to have.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:21 PM

tl/dr version.
I am damm sure positive that over the course of their careers. DWill has a poo ton more "Explosive Plays" than Stew. And isn't that what we all have been pining for this offseason? Playmakers? I say, don't lose out, without at least a struggle, on one of the prescious few you do happen to have.


DWill had 5 runs for 20+ yards this year.. less than 0.3 times a game was he a home run threat. Stewart was the most elusive back in the NFL in 2011 with almost 40 catches added in the receiving game. There is just something wrong to me about saying DWill is such a better weapon in this offense..

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:00 PM

Stew only had 93 rushes last year. Not sure you can be the most elusive when you are not on the field. And he only had 17 receptions. So his production was not off the charts, hell it was barely on the charts.

DWill had two screens that went for more than 60 yards. He can take any snap to the house.

And I said for thier careers. DWill blows Stews doors off when it comes to explosive plays. In the last 3 years Stew has had one run over 30 yards. Not much of a homerun threat there.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:26 PM

Stew only had 93 rushes last year. Not sure you can be the most elusive when you are not on the field. And he only had 17 receptions. So his production was not off the charts, hell it was barely on the charts.

DWill had two screens that went for more than 60 yards. He can take any snap to the house.

And I said for thier careers. DWill blows Stews doors off when it comes to explosive plays. In the last 3 years Stew has had one run over 30 yards. Not much of a homerun threat there.


First of all, we aren't comparing when a player isn't on the field. Stew has missed less games in the same amount of time. I don't fear Stewart's ability to come back and take 60-65% of the snaps with either DWill or Tolbert.. If anyone does, so be it. You really can't say much about the future at this point based on a high ankle sprain. So have it, next year is a new year.

2 screens for 60 yards, cool. that doesn't really address the point I made.

Having both players healthy, something seems wrong to me trying to downplay Stew's effectiveness by a few screens and a few extra "home runs" throughout a 16 game season. All while acknowledging how effective Stewart is on the field..

If you like home runs, that's your preference. But as far as ability, I trust Stewart just as much and probably more in certain situations. I like DWill, but I won't be mad with whoever leaves first.

Anyone invested heavily in which player is really that much better needs to relax. In 2-3 years it won't fuging matter. ;)

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:39 PM

Threaten us with teh jimmya why don't ya. If your arguement is weak, throw in teh jimmya.

You sure go to great lengths to downplay DWill. DWill is a homerun threat. Stew is not. Does not matter how they get popped. DWill is still more likely to pop one than Stew. They both run behind the same line. They both have the same opportunity to pop one. Stew is good at what he does, but he ain't gonna scare anyone with his popability. And believe it or not. Popability is important.

So you are saying that the only way to maximize Cam is him carrying the ball 15-20+ times a game?
Oh, okay. Because, imo, that is the only way you can negate the need for quality RBs. And personally, I think that it is also slightly shortsighted. Because it's hard enough to keep your QB healthy without running him unnecessarily.

If you are going to run Cam that much you don't need either DWill or Stew. Which I guess may affect the cap. But then again, you believe we can just plug in any RB and be good to go. So the cap isn't an issue for that RB corp. Just don't expect as much production.

Cam's running ability is a proven comodity. The threat is already there. You don't have to continue to run him to scare people. They are already scared. You do however need to be able to run the ball with someone other than Cam. DWill is the scarier RB, and I like that thought. You like Stew and his 4 yards of dust.

To keep Cam a threat, you need RBs who are a threat. No name RBs may not be enough of a threat to support Cam. If the D is not worried about your RB, they can key on Cam. You might as well call Freddie, cuz that is a nightmare.

So I say. Cut Stew and renegotiate DWill. If we are going to lose one or the other, I would prefer it be Stew.

tl/dr version.
I am damm sure positive that over the course of their careers. DWill has a poo ton more "Explosive Plays" than Stew. And isn't that what we all have been pining for this offseason? Playmakers? I say, don't lose out, without at least a struggle, on one of the prescious few you do happen to have.


Ugh...

No, if you maximize what Newton can do (runner AND as a passer)....there are not enough reps for Williams and Stewart and Tolbert to earn their checks.

Simple and plain.

Invest in the OL. Runners are easy to find and dirt cheap behind an OL.


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