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#31 twylyght

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:36 PM

I tried to do drive-by posting Delhommey-style for a bit, but it just isn't my style:

By Presidency:
Annual federal spending under Obama increased by ~8% ($1.1 trillion dollars annually) in a span of a single presidential term.
Annual federal spending under GW increased by ~75% during his two terms.
Annual federal spending under Clinton increased by ~28% during his two terms.
Annual federal spending under Bush 1 increased by ~24% during his single term.
Annual federal spending under Reagan increased by ~111% during his two terms.

By House Control:
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~157% between 1980 and 1995.
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~80% between 1995 and 2007.
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~32% between 2007 and 2011.
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~5.5% between 2011 and 2013.

By Senate Control:
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~70% between 1980 and 1987.
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~51% between 1987 and 1995.
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~23% between 1995 and 2001.
Annual federal spending under Neutral control increased by ~16% between 2001 and 2003.
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~21% between 2003 and 2007.
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~39% between 2007 and 2013.

When House and Senate controlled by a single party:
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~51% between 1987 and 1995.
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~23% between 1995 and 2001.
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~21% between 2003 and 2007.
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~32% between 2007 and 2011.

When a single party controls Congress and Presidency:
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~7.5% between 1993 and 1995.
Annual federal spending under Republican control increased by ~21% between 2003 and 2007.
Annual federal spending under Democratic control increased by ~32% between 2007 and 2011.

Annual federal spending as a percentage of GDP has ranged from 18% to 25% during said time.
Annual federal spending for Health Care has gone from 9% to 24%.
Annual federal spending for Defense has gone from 28% to 24%.
Annual federal spending for Pensions has gone from 22% to 23%.
Annual federal spending for Welfare has gone from 10% to 11%.
Annual federal spending for Education has gone from 6% to 4%.
Annual federal spending for Interest has gone from 9% to 7%.

Take those numbers and do with them what you will

#32 g5jamz

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

Obamacare will not be deficit neutral.

http://www.scribd.co...-Protection-act

#33 teeray

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

Obamacare will not be deficit neutral.

http://www.scribd.co...-Protection-act


You are right it isn't neutral. It reduces the deficit.

According to that very report, if the Affordable Health Care Act is implemented as is it will reduce the deficit significantly over the next 75 years as the CBO has projected.

If at a later date they remove or phase out the cost cutting measures that are already in place in the legislation it will balloon the deficit over 75 years.

So basically, leave it the fug alone and encourage Republican Governors to stop playing politics and expand medicaid coverage and permit the private insurance exchanges to happen and it will actually reduce the deficit, cut health care costs, and more people will be covered.

Just deal with the fact that a good (but not perfect) piece of legislation got passed by a President you don't like, and was originally introduced by a Senator most Republicans did like at the time (he won a Republican presidential primary after all) and the same Senator and Republican nominee for President that endorsed Obamacare.

Obamacare is a Republican idea. I am surprised that Republicans haven't embraced it. They should.

#34 g5jamz

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

Obamacare will no more deficit neutral than Social Security is.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

The thing that pisses me off most about this is that no party will be responsible. They will point to the other guy and blame them. They both want it. Just don't want the blame. Biger problem is their followers will believe them when they point to the other party.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:28 PM

The same day Governor Christie of NJ realizes that the Medicaid expansion and private insurance exchange is a good thing for the stat of NJ, NC lawmakers are sending a bill blocking it. If Governor McCrory signs it as he is expected to, he will be yet another Republican who has lost my vote for the foreseeable future. It is a shame too because I voted for him. You would think I would just learn my lesson and quit voting for Republicans all together.

It is my fault for thinking there are still conservatives that follow the example and leadership of Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Won't make that mistake again.

By passing it they have left 500,000 more people in NC with no insurance, forfeited 23,000 new jobs, and has refused 500 million dollars in new revenues.

Not to mention making insurance less affordable and decided to not bring health care costs down for the citizens.

But hey! At least they stuck it to Obama!! Amrite? Amrite?

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#37 teeray

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

Obamacare will no more deficit neutral than Social Security is.


It won't be neutral, it will bring the deficit down.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

Every time G5 makes a wish like that, an angel gets her abortion.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

It won't be neutral, it will bring the deficit down.


GAO reports it adds 6T to deficit in future.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

Big new federal program/going to reduce deficit.

Hard to write those two as one sentence

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

But as long as Michelle Antoinette is announcing best film awards at the Oscars...all is good.

#42 cookinwithgas

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

Ooh that's a sick burn!

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:41 PM

GAO reports it adds 6T to deficit in future.


That is not what it reported.

It said it could add as much as 6 trillion IF the cost cutting measures that are a part of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) are phased out or removed over time.

The bill as it is constituted right now and fully implemented, would reduce the deficit according to the GAO and the CBO if it were left intact over the 75 year period.

What you are referring to is a study that was commissioned at the request of Republican Jeff Sessions with the hypothetical that the cost containment mechanisms were phased out and removed over time while the other costs of Obamacare remained.

These phase outs are not a part of this bill and is not part of the plan. If no one messes with the bill, in particular the cost cutting measures, Obamacare will reduce the deficit significantly (as much as possibly 13 trillion).

This is a parlor trick for Republicans to trick their followers who live in the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh bubble.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

double post

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 11:19 PM

what are the line items go that away with the deficit with O Care?


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