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#13 Matt Foley

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 08:04 PM

IMO, torture should be a last resort, but I am unwilling to forbid it completely. If they think he is serious about it, and really does have relevant information, then I would torture and suffer whatever consequences the legal authorities might deem fit. Of course the situations were it might actually do some good are extremely rare.


How does one define torture?

Pulling fingernails? I think we'd all say yes.

Waterboarding? We do that to Navy Seals.

Punching a suspect over and over again?

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 08:15 PM

IMO, torture should be a last resort, but I am unwilling to forbid it completely. If they think he is serious about it, and really does have relevant information, then I would torture and suffer whatever consequences the legal authorities might deem fit. Of course the situations were it might actually do some good are extremely rare.


That's like saying you don't like the idea of your wife sleeping with other people, but you'd hate to disallow her from doing it (in general. I know little to nothing about your wife).

You either don't allow torture or you do. There is no gray area.

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Posted 14 June 2009 - 08:25 PM

That's like saying you don't like the idea of your wife sleeping with other people, but you'd hate to disallow her from doing it (in general. I know little to nothing about your wife). .


No, its nothing like that, not even a little bit. Torture is like War. It sucks, you hate to do it, because it causes a lot of pain, but there are occasions when it might be a necessary evil.

You either don't allow torture or you do. There is no gray area.


I thought only religious conservatives and siths deal in absolutes? IMO, there are plenty of gray areas in many things.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 08:26 AM

I got news for you. Happens all the time. Cops beat the poo out of someone if they know they have information that can save an innocent person's life.


Besides that being a pretty rotten comparison, what you're describing is also illegal.

Should we change the laws to let them both be legal?

#17 Matt Foley

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 09:21 AM

Besides that being a pretty rotten comparison, what you're describing is also illegal.

Should we change the laws to let them both be legal?


It is not a rotten comparison. It's dead on.

Do you stop at every stop sign, even when no one's around? Sometimes people see a bigger picture...like innocent lives at stake...and they make individual decisions to go past what the law allows. I'm fine with that when terrorists are involved.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 10:08 AM

And American citizens, too, evidently. And you're okay with it being done illegally.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 10:19 AM

And American citizens, too, evidently. And you're okay with it being done illegally.


If he's a terrorist, you're damn right I am. Anyone willing to kill innocent people to make some political point doesn't value human life and I'm fine with not giving them human rights. They don't play by any rules.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 10:24 AM

Then make torture legal and extend it to all American citizens. People would love that.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 11:34 AM

Next up:

"Well if that guy robbed my house, and he may know who will rob my neighbors house, I'm all for torturing him!"

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:24 PM

what about school shootings? What if it's a minor? Anybody up for torturing 16 year old american citizens?

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:34 PM

Yeah, he may know who will shoot my kid!!!

Forget installing a diving board in the schools swimming pool, federally fund waterboards!

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:35 PM

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