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#31 aussiePanther

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:11 AM

So I don't hate the idea of this guy, but I would prefer a focus on run stuffing over pass rushing given the success our DEs and Dwann had last season.

I'll drop Jesse Williams' name again, but I'd almost be as happy with Star and not too unhappy about Floyd.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:02 AM

i've seen several.

looked at one just now that i kind of randomly selected not knowing any stats or anything and what i saw was 3 pretty big plays (would have been 4 where he made what would have been a tackle for loss, except he tackled the wrong guy...still impressive, tho). but for the most part it was pretty blah.

here's the one i watched...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyEX6JgfSaM

i don't think it would take long to find more that showed the same thing.

to a small degree he reminds me of peppers who had a couple huge plays every game, but for most of the time he just wasn't all that spectacular. what i saw in short was a guy who could take advantage of holes that showed up (which happens in every game) and being able to completely capitalize on them (which should happen), but he doesn't seem like the guy that is constantly disrupting the pocket or stressing the QB. just occassionally. when he does, it's impressive. it just doesn't happen often enough.


Tackles For Loss and Sacks are the most important stats for a DLmen

Short is easily the best at getting TFL and sacks.

If I remember correctly he has about 3 TIMES the number of TFL and sacks as Flyod.

I just watched a few seconds of that vid and one play he drives the OG all the back into the QB like the G was on roller skates.

Like I said, ppl are gonna wish they didnt pass on this guy.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:36 AM

Dwan graded out negative as a pass rusher and was even worse in run defense. 6 Sacks does not represent who he was as a player.


I really thought I was the only one who thought this. Thank god lol

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

Dwan graded out negative as a pass rusher and was even worse in run defense. 6 Sacks does not represent who he was as a player.

incidentally, i think the same could be said for short's stats and that's the problem most are having with him. they just aren't sure who they're going to get. that's why he's going to fall into the 2nd or 3rd round and i don't think teams that pass up on him are going to be all that bothered by it.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

When Short is blowing up plays in the backfield (TFL) and sacking the QB regularly in the NFL (like he has done on elite status the last 2 years in the NCAA) ppl will regret passing on him.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

When Short is blowing up plays in the backfield (TFL) and sacking the QB regularly in the NFL (like he has done on elite status the last 2 years in the NCAA) ppl will regret passing on him.

yes, for those big 3-5 plays a game out of 60-70 per game, they will regret it. i think they'll make out ok for the 50 or so he's just kind of there.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:55 AM

Then Floyd with all of his hustle will only manage 1-3 sacks and maybe 8 tackles for loss.

The UT's job is to get pressure and penetrate the gaps. No one does that better than Short.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:47 PM

Then Floyd with all of his hustle will only manage 1-3 sacks and maybe 8 tackles for loss.

The UT's job is to get pressure and penetrate the gaps. No one does that better than Short.

its the DLs job to get CONSISTENT pressure...there are better. that's the earned and deserved knock against him. he's inconsistent. that's why there are more than likely going to be several DTs taken ahead of him and why he'll probably fall into the second or even third round....and teams won't think twice about passing him by.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:20 PM

So ur saying Floyd gets more consistent pressure on the qb?

Pick a game for each and ill go and track all the qb hurries, sacks, TFL, etc.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:22 AM

i've seen several.

looked at one just now that i kind of randomly selected not knowing any stats or anything and what i saw was 3 pretty big plays (would have been 4 where he made what would have been a tackle for loss, except he tackled the wrong guy...still impressive, tho). but for the most part it was pretty blah.

here's the one i watched...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyEX6JgfSaM

i don't think it would take long to find more that showed the same thing.

to a small degree he reminds me of peppers who had a couple huge plays every game, but for most of the time he just wasn't all that spectacular. what i saw in short was a guy who could take advantage of holes that showed up (which happens in every game) and being able to completely capitalize on them (which should happen), but he doesn't seem like the guy that is constantly disrupting the pocket or stressing the QB. just occassionally. when he does, it's impressive. it just doesn't happen often enough.


Personally i find Short very impressive on this video.
And after your link you are completely wrong.

Imho this kid is smart.
With Hardy, CJ, Dwan and Short our front 4 would be scary again.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:03 AM

I only watched like 1 minutes of that vid and was very impressed. I think ppl hear something and roll with it. Very first play he gets double teamed and still comes back and makes the tackle on the rb going the opposite direction. lol 2nd play he beats the OG to the outside and rides him all the way back into the QB. Third play he gets double teamed and sheds both linemen and makes the tackle in the backfield. 5th play pushes the OG all the way back into the QB. Just complete domination on the line you can see in the first 2 series on defense.

All this talk about Short and his effort or him going MIA is way overblown.

Dude is causing havoc on the OL every vid ive seen of him.

I pray we land him somehow. Will be a stud UT for years to come.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

you watch what you want to watch and see what you want to see just so you don't have to actually notice anything that challenges your preconception.

there's a reason why he's slipped as he has and it isn't just people jumping on what they've heard. he's inconsistent in his effort throughout games compared to others at the top of his position. he's got tons of ability, but it's not seen consistently enough. people just don't see enough consistency throughout each game to know that aside from a couple big stat fluffing plays a game if he's going to put enough constant pressure on the backfield to help the defense stop the offense from moving down the field and into the endzone.

i can't make you see what you don't want to see that everyone else watching sees....he's not consistent and the question is why and what can be done to help him be consistent.

he's capable of doing some great highlight reel looking things, which he does. he's just not that guy that is going to wear out offenses. others around him do the work all game and then he takes advantage of small and infrequent windows of opportunities OLs give him. thats the long and short of short.

agree with it or not, but that's why he's sliding. he's a buyers beware type player.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:53 AM

Sean Gilbert was a fist rounder, Smitty a third..
You fail to see what you want to fail to see.. well something like that.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:04 AM

you watch what you want to watch and see what you want to see just so you don't have to actually notice anything that challenges your preconception.

there's a reason why he's slipped as he has and it isn't just people jumping on what they've heard. he's inconsistent in his effort throughout games compared to others at the top of his position. he's got tons of ability, but it's not seen consistently enough. people just don't see enough consistency throughout each game to know that aside from a couple big stat fluffing plays a game if he's going to put enough constant pressure on the backfield to help the defense stop the offense from moving down the field and into the endzone.

i can't make you see what you don't want to see that everyone else watching sees....he's not consistent and the question is why and what can be done to help him be consistent.

he's capable of doing some great highlight reel looking things, which he does. he's just not that guy that is going to wear out offenses. others around him do the work all game and then he takes advantage of small and infrequent windows of opportunities OLs give him. thats the long and short of short.

agree with it or not, but that's why he's sliding. he's a buyers beware type player.


I see exactly what is happening.

Take that vid the other poster posted. I see tackles for loss, driving OG back, generating pressure, sacks, getting double teamed.

Like I said, find me a game i can view online where his is "inconsistent" anymore than any other DT in this draft is.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:50 AM

I see exactly what is happening.

Take that vid the other poster posted. I see tackles for loss, driving OG back, generating pressure, sacks, getting double teamed.

Like I said, find me a game i can view online where his is "inconsistent" anymore than any other DT in this draft is.

i saw that other game. i saw what i see every time. a few minutes of being a stud and the rest of the time being just another guy on the field.

i provided a clip, you watched only one minute of it. i fail to see how providing more examples would matter since you've obviously decided that you aren't going to see anything except what you want to see. kind of the whole "you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink".

with the quality of DTs in this draft, teams are looking for more than a guy who puts up crazy stats because of a handful of plays a game while being just another fat guy on the field the rest of the time.

i mean i would take him in the 3rd round (if we had one) maybe, but at #44...there's better choices this year, imo. teams that pass him up a couple times won't be bothered.

given a choice between short and jesse williams, i'm going to take jesse williams, stats be damned. i see in him a guy that keeps on pushing back the OLine every down and that won't be pushed back i see consistent pressure on the backfield. with short i see a guy who is dangerous in spurts, but who just as or more often gets pushed around.


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