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#25 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

Why do people automatically assume UT's are weak against the run?

I don't know much about him, but paired with Dwan I think they'd make for a pretty solid line.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

paired with Dwan I think they'd make for a pretty solid line.


Dwan graded out negative as a pass rusher and was even worse in run defense. 6 Sacks does not represent who he was as a player.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:35 PM

Ok, I must say I slipped on Short. This dude is a BEAST. Every video I watch on him he is getting TFL and sacks. An absolute terror on the line.

Who every gets this guy is gonna have a good one. People are severally underestimating / undervaluing this kid.

the problem is that he has that potential and his highlight clips look awesome, but when people have taken time to actually look at whole games they don't see anything close to that the rest of the time. i've heard several say he is the most or one of the most frustrating prospects because of how good he is in flashes but how bad he is most of the time. no one knows who is the guy that's going to get drafted. that's why he's slipped so far.

these comments from greg cossell are pretty typical:

"He was a very frustrating player to watch. I think he's a splash player with some desirable traits, but a glaring lack of consistent effort and execution. He teased. He has plus attributes, but he did not play to them consistently. I thought effort was a concern, and he did not play with a lot of competitive urgency."

to me this just screams "let him be someone elses headache." he may pay off, but i'd rather go after other guys....even at DT.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:40 PM

I dont just watch the highlights tapes. He impresses me in pretty much all the vids i see. People are oveblowing this effort thing imo.

He has almost 3 times the amount of TFL and sacks as Flyod.

Which game / vid you watch were he didnt do well?

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:58 PM

I dont just watch the highlights tapes. He impresses me in pretty much all the vids i see. People are oveblowing this effort thing imo.

He has almost 3 times the amount of TFL and sacks as Flyod.

Which game / vid you watch were he didnt do well?

i've seen several.

looked at one just now that i kind of randomly selected not knowing any stats or anything and what i saw was 3 pretty big plays (would have been 4 where he made what would have been a tackle for loss, except he tackled the wrong guy...still impressive, tho). but for the most part it was pretty blah.

here's the one i watched...


i don't think it would take long to find more that showed the same thing.

to a small degree he reminds me of peppers who had a couple huge plays every game, but for most of the time he just wasn't all that spectacular. what i saw in short was a guy who could take advantage of holes that showed up (which happens in every game) and being able to completely capitalize on them (which should happen), but he doesn't seem like the guy that is constantly disrupting the pocket or stressing the QB. just occassionally. when he does, it's impressive. it just doesn't happen often enough.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:05 PM

he is an UT, we have alot more pressing needs than a UT.



We run a 4-3.


The emphasis you guys put on a "UT" and "NT" is simply astounding.

Very few 4-3 teams have a true 1 tech. I'm pretty sure that a 4-3 in its purest, most original form doesn't have one at all.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:11 AM

So I don't hate the idea of this guy, but I would prefer a focus on run stuffing over pass rushing given the success our DEs and Dwann had last season.

I'll drop Jesse Williams' name again, but I'd almost be as happy with Star and not too unhappy about Floyd.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:02 AM

i've seen several.

looked at one just now that i kind of randomly selected not knowing any stats or anything and what i saw was 3 pretty big plays (would have been 4 where he made what would have been a tackle for loss, except he tackled the wrong guy...still impressive, tho). but for the most part it was pretty blah.

here's the one i watched...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyEX6JgfSaM

i don't think it would take long to find more that showed the same thing.

to a small degree he reminds me of peppers who had a couple huge plays every game, but for most of the time he just wasn't all that spectacular. what i saw in short was a guy who could take advantage of holes that showed up (which happens in every game) and being able to completely capitalize on them (which should happen), but he doesn't seem like the guy that is constantly disrupting the pocket or stressing the QB. just occassionally. when he does, it's impressive. it just doesn't happen often enough.


Tackles For Loss and Sacks are the most important stats for a DLmen

Short is easily the best at getting TFL and sacks.

If I remember correctly he has about 3 TIMES the number of TFL and sacks as Flyod.

I just watched a few seconds of that vid and one play he drives the OG all the back into the QB like the G was on roller skates.

Like I said, ppl are gonna wish they didnt pass on this guy.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:36 AM

Dwan graded out negative as a pass rusher and was even worse in run defense. 6 Sacks does not represent who he was as a player.


I really thought I was the only one who thought this. Thank god lol

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

Dwan graded out negative as a pass rusher and was even worse in run defense. 6 Sacks does not represent who he was as a player.

incidentally, i think the same could be said for short's stats and that's the problem most are having with him. they just aren't sure who they're going to get. that's why he's going to fall into the 2nd or 3rd round and i don't think teams that pass up on him are going to be all that bothered by it.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

When Short is blowing up plays in the backfield (TFL) and sacking the QB regularly in the NFL (like he has done on elite status the last 2 years in the NCAA) ppl will regret passing on him.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

When Short is blowing up plays in the backfield (TFL) and sacking the QB regularly in the NFL (like he has done on elite status the last 2 years in the NCAA) ppl will regret passing on him.

yes, for those big 3-5 plays a game out of 60-70 per game, they will regret it. i think they'll make out ok for the 50 or so he's just kind of there.