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Sheldon Richardson, is he even a good fit here?

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Seriously I know he's not an NT, and neither is Dwan. Dwan is kind of like our pass rushing DT, so we need more of an NT type beside him like Star or Jesse Williams. Am I right about this? It just seems like tons of mocks have us taking Sheldon and I don't even think he'd be a good fit here.

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Yeah Ive always wonderd because we already have a 3 tech. Maybe for the future? Dwan is old, so if we draft Richardson we'd have decent pass rush from the inside for at least a few years.

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[quote name='The Huddler' timestamp='1365007250' post='2184631']
Yeah Ive always wonderd because we already have a 3 tech. Maybe for the future? Dwan is old, so if we draft Richardson we'd have decent pass rush from the inside for at least a few years.
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Yeah and that makes sense, but with what Gettleman has done this offseason he seems to be set on giving Rivera the talent to win this year and make the playoffs so we see if he has what it takes to be our coach of the future. So I just don't expect us to take a guy who won't even be playing a big role in his first season when the goal is win next year. I bet Gettleman takes a guy to fill a position of need with our first pick, not a guy who wouldn't even start as a rookie. But what the hell do I know.

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[quote name='The Huddler' timestamp='1365007250' post='2184631']
Yeah Ive always wonderd because we already have a 3 tech. Maybe for the future? Dwan is old, so if we draft Richardson we'd have decent pass rush from the inside for at least a few years.
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but we'll still be a team that can be run on at will.

i don't have a problem finding dwan's replacement. i do have a problem with us not addressing the run D. we have to have a run stuffer.

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Sheldon Richardson is my 3rd favorite DT behind Star and Floyd, and my 2nd favorite player behind Tavon at no.14.
He is definetley worth the pick. People dislike him there bc he's another under-tackle. I dont care. Why?

(1) Sheldon is a pure pass rusher in the interior
(2) He's solid at the point of attack; wont get push around like a Fua.
(3) The most important thing is, his ability to demand teams to [b]double team[/b] him.

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Have we even met with or worked him out? I don't see him as a Rivera type DT to be honest. He gets mauled in the run game and doesn't play up the field with any kind of consistency.

I see us being interested in Star Lotulelei, Bennie Logan, Jesse Williams, Kawann Short. Those type of guys that seem to give a ton of effort, have upside and leadership qualities and have produced.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1365007451' post='2184641']
but we'll still be a team that can be run on at will.

i don't have a problem finding dwan's replacement. i do have a problem with us not addressing the run D. we have to have a run stuffer.
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Some of the better run stop teams last season like: Bucs, Rams, Seattle were teams who played with "two UTs". just a FYI

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on passing downs hardy, dwan , sheldon, and cj is going to be a problem for the league to handle. i would mind him if we can pickup a good NT in FA or the Draft. were in a pass happy division and league so having the best pass rush in football would we great in my eyes

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I'm just not much of a fan of Richardson and get bored reading mocks where virtually everyone has Richardson pegged to us. He gets washed out of plays too easily. We need a run stuffer and I'm thinking we will get him in the second round. The name to keep an eye on is Brandon Williams because I do not believe Jesse will fall to 44 after the workouts he had at Bamas' pro day.
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[quote name='XClown1986' timestamp='1365007566' post='2184645']
Have we even met with or worked him out? I don't see him as a Rivera type DT to be honest. He gets mauled in the run game and doesn't play up the field with any kind of consistency.
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To my knowledge, we haven't met with any 1st round projected prospect as of yet. The first will be in six days with Keenan. So, dont assume anything just yet that we're not interested in him.

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good point and ive thought about it over and over and over

which dt is there at 14? or BPA very well could be him...

Id much rather have a different player and its why ive consistently said we should trade back.

sometimes draft analysis feels like chasing a tail i dont have lol

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He has the frame to develop into a very good run stopper. But from day 1 he is a havoc causing inside force that gets in the backfield.

I look at the fact he lead his team in tackles as a DT. That is special.

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I would rather take Jesse Williams at 14 then Sheldon Richardson honestly. He's the big run-stuffer we need, even though he doesn't offer much as a pass rusher

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1365007566' post='2184646']
Some of the better run stop teams last season like: Bucs, Rams, Seattle were teams who played with "two UTs". just a FYI
[/quote]neither dwan or richardson are solid against the run.

i'm pretty sure that if you've gonna be starting two UTs, that at least one of them has to be solid against the run.

if we draft richardson, the only time he and dwan will be on the field at the same time are obvious passing downs. dwan has already proven to be effective in his role so he won't be taking a back seat to another UT...esp. a rookie.

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[quote name='The Huddler' timestamp='1365007250' post='2184631']
Yeah Ive always wonderd because we already have a 3 tech. Maybe for the future? Dwan is old, so if we draft Richardson we'd have decent pass rush from the inside for at least a few years.
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If we take Sheldon, it'll be bc Getlleman and Rivera likes him. Not, having a replacement for Dwan, or else we wouldve let Dwan walk in FA and signed a vet NT.

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1365007493' post='2184643']
Sheldon Richardson is my 3rd favorite DT behind Star and Floyd, and my 2nd favorite player behind Tavon at no.14.
He is definetley worth the pick. People dislike him there bc he's another under-tackle. I dont care. Why?

(1) Sheldon is a pure pass rusher in the interior
(2) He's solid at the point of attack; wont get push around like a Fua.
(3) The most important thing is, his ability to demand teams to [b]double team[/b] him.
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I don't agree at all. He does not need to be double teamed consistently. He was handled by Alabama and he rarely even matched up against Warmack. He is a pure pass rusher that would be better served to play 5 tech in a 3-4. I could see the Saints snagging him to be honest.

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[quote name='CardiacCats' timestamp='1365007750' post='2184656']
I would rather take Jesse Williams at 14 then Sheldon Richardson honestly. He's the big run-stuffer we need, even though he doesn't offer much as a pass rusher
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Agreed. Plus Williams has brute strength and brings it every snap.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1365007790' post='2184657']
neither dwan or richardson are solid against the run.

i'm pretty sure that if you've gonna be starting two UTs, that at least one of them has to be solid against the run.

if we draft richardson, the only time he and dwan will be on the field at the same time are obvious passing downs. dwan has already proven to be effective in his role so he won't be taking a back seat to another UT...esp. a rookie.
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Sheldon's ability to demand double team is just as good as having a run stuffer. Kuechly now has the ability to stop the run at free will.

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people main problem with richardson is confusing him with something he's not. he's not a run stuffer but he will disrupt the run with his elite first step which is to fast for centers and guards. this will cause the running back to have to make a move early in the backfield which is just as effective as stuffing the run. he will be an elite inside pass rusher which will force teams to double team him since he will be coming straight at the qb causing more sack oppurtunites for cj and hardy

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Yeah some people are still hoping Williams falls to 44 well I'd be tempted to take him at 14. Ideal scenario I guess would be trading down to 20-25 and snagging Williams there.

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I don't agree at all. He does not need to be double teamed consistently. He was handled by Alabama and he rarely even matched up against Warmack. He is a pure pass rusher that would be better served to play 5 tech in a 3-4. I could see the Saints snagging him to be honest.
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handled by alabama. he had 15 tackles against them

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1365008046' post='2184663']


Sheldon's ability to demand double team is just as good as having a run stuffer. Kuechly now has the ability to stop the run at free will.
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Good point. Not to mention his constant penetration makes RB be thinking instead of just running thru holes. Giving Kuechly the advantage of making TFL's.

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[quote name='IamSoClutch' timestamp='1365008151' post='2184671']
handled by alabama. he had 15 tackles against them
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Watch the game highlights man. He was being shoved around like a rag doll. People ragged on Kuechly for making most of his tackles down the field, but it's worse when a DT is doing it.

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Brandon Williams is a small school prospect who will likely struggle in his rookie season but could develop into special under the right coaching staff. His athleticism and motor for a 340 lb'er is freaky and unreal. 27 sacks in three years as a goddamn NT is utterly jaw dropping.

As for Richardson, his first step, athleticism and dexterity is amazing for a sub 300 lb'er. He could be a monster like Geno in the near future. The only problem is Richardson is a nonfactor against the ground game and doesn't like the weight room.

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