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Keenan Allen Pro Day Tommorow.

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All I was doing is stating a fact. You guys can fuss all you want. I don't really have a dog in this fight.

Doesn't make the facts false or my observations untrue.

Best thing for all of us to do is go back and look at the last 10 years worth of drafts and see how many great players got picked after the 1st round and how many busts were picked in the first round. You are fooling yourself if you think you can discern the tea leaves.

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All I was doing is stating a fact. You guys can fuss all you want. I don't really have a dog in this fight.

Doesn't make the facts false or my observations untrue.

Best thing for all of us to do is go back and look at the last 10 years worth of drafts and see how many great players got picked after the 1st round and how many busts were picked in the first round. You are fooling yourself if you think you can discern the tea leaves.

That's really not a fair comparison. There are 32 players selected in the 1st round and 192 (or around that number) after that. That's a way bigger talent pool to find failure and success.

But I get your point.

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That's really not a fair comparison. There are 32 players selected in the 1st round and 192 (or around that number) after that. That's a way bigger talent pool to find failure and success.

But I get your point.

No, my wife gets my point, you just understood what I wrote.

I'm just messin' with you Luke. I get it. But any of us who say we have it figured out are just foolish.

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That's another aspect that irks me. Allen supporters act as if Keenan is the consensus #1 WR in this draft but if that were true, then he'd be going before Austin and Patterson. They also act as if his performance today put him on the map. Running a 4.7 only reinforces possession receiver labels and separation concerns. A month ago, fans were claiming he ran a 4.4 and was faster than he appeared on tape. Now, fans are citing that speed isn't important and settle for Allen's routes and hands, which is fine but Hopkins has superior hands and is just as good as Keenan in running routes. So what makes him deserving to be taken as the third best WR in this draft when a WR such as Hopkins is on his talent level?

You're acting as he's 100% healthy and ran that. You also dismiss his other skills and assets that aren't his speed. Like his route running, his ability to play the outside and the slot. His punt returning ability. Size, build, strength, hands. But oh no, he ran a 4.71 forty, he's not worth it now. LOL. Man...

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No, my wife gets my point, you just understood what I wrote.

I'm just messin' with you Luke. I get it. But any of us who say we have it figured out are just foolish.

Oh I totally agree. Nobody knows what this team will do in the draft. But that won't stop the MB GM's around here who will say they do.

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OMG someone doesnt agree with me, let me throw my hands up. Allen is damaged goods. I would hope carolina has learned their lesson about drafting players with pre-existing injuries. I prefer Hopkins over Allen and Austin. I just dont like him at #14, if they stick with pick 14, then they shouldnt go WR.

I've never once said I didnt like Hopkins. I would love to have either one at 14. But to act like Hopkins is a beast at catching 33 one handed grab from a football jug is like watching Chad Jackson win best hand at the 2006 college Allstars challenge.

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Oh I totally agree. Nobody knows what this team will do in the draft. But that won't stop the MB GM's around here who will say they do.

KKL, who will the panthers take in two weeks?

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You're acting as he's 100% healthy and ran that. You also dismiss his other skills and assets that aren't his speed. Like his route running, his ability to play the outside and the slot. His punt returning ability. Size, build, strength, hands. But oh no, he ran a 4.71 forty, he's not worth it now. LOL. Man...

Allen said himself his knee was at 100%. No excuses. Fans like yourself blamed the QB at Cal for Keenan not being able to get enough separation between him and DBs but his speed has always been average at best. Who cares if he played at slot and on the outside? Both Hopkins and Bailey did that too.

Dismiss what? I recommend you re-read my statement. I didn't criticize his hands and routes, now did I? I made a point that you didn't bother to address. What makes Allen better than Hopkins? It ain't his hands, it isn't his routes, and it certainly isn't his speed and size.

So you tell me, how is he superior to a WR like Hopkins?

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Allen said himself his knee was at 100%. No excuses. Fans like yourself blamed the QB at Cal for Keenan not being able to get enough separation between him and DBs but his speed has always been average at best. Who cares if he played at slot and on the outside? Both Hopkins and Bailey did that too.

Dismiss what? I recommend you re-read my statement. I didn't criticize his hands and routes, now did I? I made a point that you didn't bother to address. What makes Allen better than Hopkins? It ain't his hands, it isn't his routes, and it certainly isn't his speed and size.

So you tell me, how is he superior to a WR like Hopkins?

Way to leave out the fact that Dr. James Andrews said the muscle is about 75% so he's lacking explosive ability. Eh whatever proves your point I guess.....

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KKL, who will the panthers take in two weeks?

1. New GM + HC fighting for his Job + Owner looking for stadium money + New OC + Fa signing =

I don't have a fuging clue.

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