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#46 top dawg

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:50 PM

We have added steady talent each year. 3 years ago we added LaFell, Pilares and Gettis, 2 years ago it was Olsen. Last year it was Adams, Murphy. This year it is Ginn. And those are just players who were either drafted or we use draft picks to acquire them. In free agency we added Shockey 3 years ago, 2 years ago we added Nannee. This year we added Hixon and are still not done. This isn't the whole list but just those we expected to play well and compete for either the number 2 wide receiver or were added to complement the passing game.
To say we haven't added anyone or tried to give Newton weapons is just naïve at best.


Steady, average talent, yes. Prolific, no.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

We have added steady talent each year. 3 years ago we added LaFell, Pilares and Gettis, 2 years ago it was Olsen. Last year it was Adams, Murphy. This year it is Ginn. And those are just players who were either drafted or we use draft picks to acquire them. In free agency we added Shockey 3 years ago, 2 years ago we added Nannee. This year we added Hixon and are still not done. This isn't the whole list but just those we expected to play well and compete for either the number 2 wide receiver or were added to complement the passing game.
To say we haven't added anyone or tried to give Newton weapons is just naïve at best.


You are going pre Newton....I am talking about when you find your QB. You draft young talent specifically for him. We are unique in the fact he is entering year 3...and we haven't drafted him talent in the upper rounds

All we have drafted was Adams and he was always considered more of a return specialist move.



vet band-aids, 1 yr rentals, vet gambles, etc aren't what I am talking about...Olsen was a nice addition and you need those moves. However he is it. The fact we have drafted him help is becoming very noticeable compared to what franchises do when they get "their" young stud QB

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:04 PM

Steady, average talent, yes. Prolific, no.


Just because they haven't always worked out doesn't mean we haven't tried to find them. We keep trying and eventually will succeed. Did New York know they had a great player in Victor Cruz when they acquired him? But you act as if we aren't even trying....

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:14 PM

You are going pre Newton....I am talking about when you find your QB. You draft young talent specifically for him. We are unique in the fact he is entering year 3...and we haven't drafted him talent in the upper rounds

All we have drafted was Adams and he was always considered more of a return specialist move.



vet band-aids, 1 yr rentals, vet gambles, etc aren't what I am talking about...Olsen was a nice addition and you need those moves. However he is it. The fact we have drafted him help is becoming very noticeable compared to what franchises do when they get "their" young stud QB


When you draft receivers the year before you find your franchise quarterback you don't draft more until you figure out how the other ones work out. And if we use draft picks to acquire free agents then it is the same as drafting them so yeah Murphy, and Olsen count. Didn't Tampa get an A in the draft tis year because they used their first pick on Revis.
And no Adams wasn't a return specialist only. He had 50 catches and 800 yards receiving his junior year at Arkansas and 54 catches and 652 yards his senior year in addition to the rushing and returning yards. He is a poor man's Tavon Austin which people would have rejoiced if we had drafted.

So no we have tried quite a bit to improve the receiving corps over thelast few years. But contrarians like you will always see the half empty scenario.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:16 PM

Just because they haven't always worked out doesn't mean we haven't tried to find them. We keep trying and eventually will succeed. Did New York know they had a great player in Victor Cruz when they acquired him? But you act as if we aren't even trying....


Last 5 seasons, Giants have drafted 5 WRs in the top 3 rounds including a first round pick.

Carolina on the other hand has drafted 1 WR in the top 3 rounds and a QB they converted to WR. (Both 3rds).

I would say there is a noticeable difference in "trying"


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:20 PM

Just because they haven't always worked out doesn't mean we haven't tried to find them. We keep trying and eventually will succeed. Did New York know they had a great player in Victor Cruz when they acquired him? But you act as if we aren't even trying....


Yeah, we've been trying, but obviously need to try harder. There is something just not clicking when we acquire WRs, we need to take a step up in talent, we are complacent with mediocrity, or we are the unluckiest sons o' bitches that I've ever seen add WR talent in my near 40 years of earnest watching. It can't be that hard. We should have drafted T.Y. Hilton last year. Anyway...it's very frustrating. But I am hoping that our game changer is on the roster or will land into our laps via FA.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:04 PM

Last 5 seasons, Giants have drafted 5 WRs in the top 3 rounds including a first round pick.

Carolina on the other hand has drafted 1 WR in the top 3 rounds and a QB they converted to WR. (Both 3rds).

I would say there is a noticeable difference in "trying"


So we aren't New York. Is that the gold standard that if we don't hit it negates everything? Detroit drafted a ton of first round receivers and other than Megatron how did that work out. You are grasping at straws as usual. Newton has plenty of weapons and will have more by season start.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

So we aren't New York. Is that the gold standard that if we don't hit it negates everything? Detroit drafted a ton of first round receivers and other than Megatron how did that work out. You are grasping at straws as usual. Newton has plenty of weapons and will have more by season start.


Of course not, I also broke down what other teams have done since acquiring their franchise QB in the draft in a thread yesterday.....

When you get a QB, you draft and build around him....steadily adding talent. What we are doing for Cam....is unique.

Name a drafted QB who has been with his team, started, and is at least entering his 3rd year.....whose team has done less in the draft for him than we have done for Cam.

Saying he has an aging Smith and given a middle aged Olsen.....isn't building a team around your young franchise QB with weapons.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:13 PM

Yeah, we've been trying, but obviously need to try harder. There is something just not clicking when we acquire WRs, we need to take a step up in talent, we are complacent with mediocrity, or we are the unluckiest sons o' bitches that I've ever seen add WR talent in my near 40 years of earnest watching. It can't be that hard. We should have drafted T.Y. Hilton last year. Anyway...it's very frustrating. But I am hoping that our game changer is on the roster or will land into our laps via FA.


Our receivers haven't worked out that well at all. Not sure if it bad picks, poor development and coaching or a combination of factors. I am not happy at all either. Adams has been a major disappointment so far. I just don't agree we haven't tried. Succeeded, perhaps not....

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:27 PM

Of course not, I also broke down what other teams have done since acquiring their franchise QB in the draft in a thread yesterday.....

When you get a QB, you draft and build around him....steadily adding talent. What we are doing for Cam....is unique.

Name a drafted QB who has been with his team, started, and is at least entering his 3rd year.....whose team has done less in the draft for him than we have done for Cam.

Saying he has an aging Smith and given a middle aged Olsen.....isn't building a team around your young franchise QB with weapons.


Since you will argue forever whether you have a good point or not, I will stop since you won't. I have pointed out where we have added plenty of talent by having a first round tight end, 2 first round running backs, Tolbert (while undrafted) has been a very good receiver, Smith who is an all pro and a third rounder, LaFell who was a third rounder and is a decent number 2, Adams who is a poor man's Tavon Austin, Ginn who is a first rounder and could be a good wide receiver in addition to a returner and a number of other guys brought in for a try. 15 guys in all on the roster right now.

You won't agree and will spend pages trying to pick things apart so have at it. You seem to delight in being negative and complaining so have at it. I will be content to see how things play out and wait to bitch until it is appropriate. One question though, are you this negative all the time? I couldn't live my life that way but to each his own.

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:31 PM

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:36 PM

Quarterbacks make wideouts, not the other way around. It takes a generational talent to have that principal work in reverse. Cam is evolving into the kind of quarterback that will be able to make due with a stable of replacement level players at the WR position. Sure, you'd love to see him get some more weapons but the truth is that when Cam is running hot the only thing that can stop him are dropped passes. We have a compliment of WR that are good enough to get the job done, we just have to keep him upright behind this offensive line.


Lol Flacco doesn't have a ring without Boldin and Jacoby Jones. The Patriots have the greatest season in history if it wasnt for tyree making the greatest catch ever. You need guys that can make plays like that. We don't have them. Take your blinders off.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:41 AM

Since you will argue forever whether you have a good point or not, I will stop since you won't. I have pointed out where we have added plenty of talent by having a first round tight end, 2 first round running backs, Tolbert (while undrafted) has been a very good receiver, Smith who is an all pro and a third rounder, LaFell who was a third rounder and is a decent number 2, Adams who is a poor man's Tavon Austin, Ginn who is a first rounder and could be a good wide receiver in addition to a returner and a number of other guys brought in for a try. 15 guys in all on the roster right now.

You won't agree and will spend pages trying to pick things apart so have at it. You seem to delight in being negative and complaining so have at it. I will be content to see how things play out and wait to bitch until it is appropriate. One question though, are you this negative all the time? I couldn't live my life that way but to each his own.

Again, you are talking about things that pre-date Cam.

I am talking about building around a young QB with young drafted talent. You are fixed on talking about band-aids and pieces from prior eras.

Olsen is nice, that isn't a commitment to invest around your young QB. 1 guy, bandaids/scrubs/ projects. Like I said, you can look at any other young QB entering at a minimum of his 3rd season as proof how we are going about it is unique.

Also, maybe you should step away from the keyboard and read your posts. For starters they are generally filled with a lot "pot meet kettle" jabs and a little like someone pissed in your cornflakes. I have always enjoyed most of our back and forth but you seem much more cranky these days.

I have told you before, I am higher on Rivera, Cam, and most parts of this team than most of the board. I however prefer to talk about the few issues I don't completely agree with.....bc talking about how awesome a something is happens to be boring.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:58 AM

Same ole doom and gloom mumbo.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:37 PM

I'll start with the positive, yes Steve does and should draw the opposing teams top cover guy. No question Smitty is top dog and one of the finest receivers in the league over the last decade.

With that said, LaFell's job is to beat the defense he's facing and he has done that quite well. To say he doesn't make plays suggests to me that you may be blind. Youtube some Panther highlight videos and you will see LaFell all over the place making circus catches, breaking tackles, and doing much of the same impossible Smitty serves up. You can't say the kid can't play when all he's done is put stats that are superior in Smitty's in many ways against weaker coverage. I would expect his stats to drop when facing the top corner as Smitty does, how much, who knows? The fact is they could drop quite a bit and he would still be in Smitty's neigborhood stat wise. Another fact is LaFell does make plays when given the opportunity, go watch some game film or highlight reels to remind yourself of this please.

 

     Whoa man I never said Lafell sucked or anything. Where did I say he doesn't make plays? I simply said that a comparison between him and Steve simply based on stats is misleading because of the double coverage Steve draws. That is just a fact, not me bashing Lafell. I think Lafell can be a very good #2 if he improves his consistency. By that I mean getting separation, and being on the same page with Cam not his catching ability. I'm not one of the guys on here that totally shits on lafell, I just haven't seen anything to show he can be a #1 WR that can draw and beat double teams like Smitty does, yet. You must be confusing what I said with someone else. 





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