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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:18 PM

I am curious as to the specific receivers we should have picked in either the draft or FA? I agree we need a receiver but not necessarily one that cannot be a starter. 



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

I am curious as to the specific receivers we should have picked in either the draft or FA? I agree we need a receiver but not necessarily one that cannot be a starter.


This is the question that will never die. lol

I am not sure why some folks think we could get any WR that could be better than our two DTs? We turned a hole into an asset. I just don't think of WR as a hole.

After Star and Short, we were not taking a project WR. Not with a roster full of that type WR. We can't afford, or don't want to afford, a Vet. IMO, None can come in and supplant Lafell. Let alone challenge Smitty anyway.

Depends on your point of view on the state of things at WR. Me? I am happy with what we have. But...I am getting somewhat nervous about replacing Smitty. My dream is that next year when we draft in the mid to late 20's one of those good WR will be there for us. Seems like things are working for us right now. Why not this?

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

This is the question that will never die. lol

I am not sure why some folks think we could get any WR that could be better than our two DTs? We turned a hole into an asset. I just don't think of WR as a hole.

After Star and Short, we were not taking a project WR. Not with a roster full of that type WR. We can't afford, or don't want to afford, a Vet. IMO, None can come in and supplant Lafell. Let alone challenge Smitty anyway.

Depends on your point of view on the state of things at WR. Me? I am happy with what we have. But...I am getting somewhat nervous about replacing Smitty. My dream is that next year when we draft in the mid to late 20's one of those good WR will be there for us. Seems like things are working for us right now. Why not this?

I am nervous as well about Smitty but without cap space I just do not see who we should have jumped on and unfortunately unless next years draft is full of talented WRs we will be in the same boat.

 

This will be a thorn in Gettlemens side until someone either develops or we find a stud in the draft.  



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:07 PM

I am nervous as well about Smitty but without cap space I just do not see who we should have jumped on and unfortunately unless next years draft is full of talented WRs we will be in the same boat.
 
This will be a thorn in Gettlemens side until someone either develops or we find a stud in the draft.


At this point in time, we are who we are. How to fix this? My first hope is next years draft. There is usually one or two guys still around at the bottom of the first round. That would be best case.

If we have a good year. And Gettlemen thinks we are close and a WR could put us over the top. Then maybe, just maybe, he will dip into FA to nab a quality WR. I say this option is if he feels we are only 1 quality WR from being a complete team. That may be the case by years end.

If the DBs play well, and the O-line plays well, and we have a good year. Maybe a FA WR is in the cards. Who knows?

But right now. I see no sure fire fix.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:57 PM

maybe lafell, but none of those dudes are better than Smitty. Put down the ether, because something isn't clicking if you would pick those guys up over him. Maybe Mike in 2 years but none now.

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 03:57 AM

Improving your defense is also giving your offense more opportunities. Cam was excellent the last 6/7 games of the past season where we had most of the ball possession and were running the ball like a normal NFL team.

Gettleman must have been thinking that creating more time for the offense would benefit the team more than any mid 2nd round pick.

 

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 05:30 AM

I was reading a Rivera interview regarding the drafting of Short and to paraphrase the reason they drafted him was they had him graded as a first round talent so it was BPA. Going forward can we afford to do that with the urgency to replace Gross and Smitty? 

 

Adding a number 1 WR is a daunting task coupled with LaFell will never be that guy.....there are just not that many out there in the draft and to get one in FA is very costly.My guess is that it will be fish or cut bait with some of these guys on the roster this year. Sometimes you have to throw allot of sh$t on the wall before something sticks which the Giants and others have done quite well.

 

.My guess a Hakeem Nicks prototype is what we will be looking for. My hope is that Rivera will give Gettis  that opportunity and he can seize it.I think this debate over who and when we will get another starting WR is valid which is the reason I originally posted it. As for this past draft I agree with the pick of Star at 14 though I doubt   he will have the 1st round impact as we have enjoyed with Cam and Luke.



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Posted 27 May 2013 - 03:20 PM

I was reading a Rivera interview regarding the drafting of Short and to paraphrase the reason they drafted him was they had him graded as a first round talent so it was BPA. Going forward can we afford to do that with the urgency to replace Gross and Smitty? 

 

Adding a number 1 WR is a daunting task coupled with LaFell will never be that guy.....there are just not that many out there in the draft and to get one in FA is very costly.My guess is that it will be fish or cut bait with some of these guys on the roster this year. Sometimes you have to throw allot of sh$t on the wall before something sticks which the Giants and others have done quite well.

 

.My guess a Hakeem Nicks prototype is what we will be looking for. My hope is that Rivera will give Gettis  that opportunity and he can seize it.I think this debate over who and when we will get another starting WR is valid which is the reason I originally posted it. As for this past draft I agree with the pick of Star at 14 though I doubt   he will have the 1st round impact as we have enjoyed with Cam and Luke.

 

For me last season was all about strengthening our D-Line. As things stand our D-Line and line backing core have the potential to become one of the most dominant in the league. Our secondary may need to be addressed at a later date, but so far I think Gettleman's approach has been to build a defense that can become an elite unit. Having an elite defense will help our offense. So I think year one Gettleman wanted to sure up our D-Line, and going forwards I think he will address the other positions, and the reason he did not in this year's draft was because there was not a clear cut prospect at left tackle or wide receiver at our respective draft positions. 

 

You mention a tackle, but I don't remember a prospect within our draft picks that would have been a good pick. The only potential one was David Bakhtiari who went one pick after Kugbila, but he doesn't have ideal size to play left tackle and seems better suited to right tackle. The only way we could have secured Gross' long term replacement would have been to trade up to third overall to make sure we could draft Lane Johnson. But I don't feel that would have been an ideal scenario. Personally I think the left tackle position was not a position of need in the 2013 draft, and it might not be in 2014 if Gross remains on the roster. If he leaves, then we have next year's draft to find his replacement, or we could pursue Eugene Monroe or Branden Albert if the Jags and Chiefs do not re-sign them.  

 

As for a wide receiver. I think that will be on the shopping list for next year's draft, but last year there was not really a legitimate target at our respective draft positions. An argument could be made for us to have traded down in order to secure extra picks, and in turn that would have allowed us to draft Patterson in the late first, and still get Short in the second and grab Jesse Williams later on. In that scenario we would have a receiver and two defensive tackles. So that might have been an appealing option, but as things stand having Star and Short, two of the best defensive tackle prospects in the entire draft, more than make up for us not having traded back to get a receiver as well. That being said, I think that a receiver will be on the shopping list for next season, whether it be in the draft or free agency. 

 

That being said, I can see your point about the urgency to find replacements for Gross and Smitty, but equally there was urgency over our DTs. If we hadn't drafted Star and Short, we would have been left with Edwards, Fua, Colins and Chandler. Going into a season with those options would not have been ideal, and to be honest, I think we would have been weaker if we had drafted a tackle and a receiver instead of Star and Short. For me, our receiving core and tackle positions are more than good enough to be competitive, but our D-Line needed to be prioritised in this year's draft. So I don't think Gettleman ignored the fact that we need to address Gross and Smitty's replacements, instead he decided to prioritise other players in positions that were needed more. Granted we could have got a receiver or tackle after having taken Star and Short, but to be honest, I think this year's draft was not the year to address Gross and Smitty's replacements. For me, next year will be that time. 



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Posted 27 May 2013 - 03:57 PM

I wish we would have had the same number of picks the 49er's had. We didn't.

 

Two years ago, I wasn't high on taking Cam with the number 1 pick. I was way wrong. Last year, I wanted a DT rather than Luke. Again, I was way wrong.

 

So far I've been very impressed with the direction and management style displayed by Gettleman. I know we have some areas of serious concern, (WR, DB, OL), but I have decided to trust those with more knowledge than I.

 

I am extremely excited about what we have in our front 7 on Defense. I'm not a big Lafell guy, but if I am honest, he has improved dramatically in the past two years, and I seen nothing to make me think this improvement will not continue. I'm also pumped about Hixon and his potential if he can stay healthy. Lastly, I think Cam is going t take it to another level this year, and shut down all the haters.




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