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#31 carpanfan96

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:51 PM

I dont think Shabazz is going to be there at 10. I really think that he's going to be taken much higher than what the media is having him going. But, of course I would love for that scenario to happen. I think finding a trading partner for someone to jump up for Oladipo could really happen. Portland is one who is serious about trading up for him, but I think there's may be 1-2 more teams that could be mentioned as well.

 

The only teams between 4 and 10 that need a SF "Which is Shabazz's natural position, he could play SG in a pinch though."  So let's include SG's and SF"s as team needs.

 

The Hornets/Bobcats at 4 need a SG or PF/C.

The Suns at 5 need a SF

The Pistons at 7 need a PG or SG

The Timber wolves at 9 need a SF. 

 

The Bobcats would take who's left of McLemore, Oladipo or Bennett. 

Porter is a better prospect so he goes to the Suns as he fits their system better. 

The pistons need a PG more then a SG or SF, so they go with McCollum

The Timber Wolves are the first threat to take him at 9th. 

 

 

No way he goes before 9th overall, none at all. Especially after his showing at the combine. 



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

Wouldnt be a bad pick, but he has to drop some body fat IMO.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:42 PM

Forget the bad ego. Cant blame a kid who all he have ever known in his life was the hype to be the next NBA superstar. Maybe, that's exactly what we need also. Someone who wants to be great. Bazz is the closet thing to be a NBA superstar if you forget his negative attitude last season at UCLA. His statistic is much better than McLemore or Oladipo. He's no where close to being a Tyrus Thomas locker room killer. If anything, his poor season at UCLA last season will mature him. I think the kid have finally touched ground in reality. It will only benefit him to see life differently than what he was used to with all the cameras around him. I'd take this as a blessing in disguise. David Stern had fugged Charlotte since whenever. This is a way for us to get back at Stern. Take Shabazz and show Stern the middle finger.

 

Yeah but this is a thin line to walk...  Is he hyped up because he wants to be great?  Or did he start getting hyped up by others at an early age because his skills/athleticism were already otherworldly, and thus he just rests on that alone? 

 

I could be very wrong, but he strikes me as the type of kid that doesn't feel like he has to work to be great because he already is (in his opinion).

 

That's what separates the greats from the good...  JR Smith could be an all-time great, if he had it altogether off-the-court and mentally.  Terrance Williams is another example.  There are far too many kids coming out now who have been told that they are gonna make it no matter what because their abilities are so superior to their peers, but if they don't put in the work and rest on that, they end up becoming JAG.

 

You ever hear of Lenny Cooke, chuck?  If not, look him up and read his story.  Same deal.  At one time was considered better than LBJ and Melo in HS.

 

Like I said, I could be really wrong and you could be totally right...  It's just my personal opinion that there is something amiss with him, and I just don't see him suddenly blossoming into a superstar or even a go-to scorer in the NBA.  I just hope we make the right pick, regardless of who it is.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:47 PM

 



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:55 PM

Yeah but this is a thin line to walk...  Is he hyped up because he wants to be great?  Or did he start getting hyped up by others at an early age because his skills/athleticism were already otherworldly, and thus he just rests on that alone? 

 

I could be very wrong, but he strikes me as the type of kid that doesn't feel like he has to work to be great because he already is (in his opinion).

 

That's what separates the greats from the good...  JR Smith could be an all-time great, if he had it altogether off-the-court and mentally.  Terrance Williams is another example.  There are far too many kids coming out now who have been told that they are gonna make it no matter what because their abilities are so superior to their peers, but if they don't put in the work and rest on that, they end up becoming JAG.

 

You ever hear of Lenny Cooke, chuck?  If not, look him up and read his story.  Same deal.  At one time was considered better than LBJ and Melo in HS.

 

Like I said, I could be really wrong and you could be totally right...  It's just my personal opinion that there is something amiss with him, and I just don't see him suddenly blossoming into a superstar or even a go-to scorer in the NBA.  I just hope we make the right pick, regardless of who it is.

 

I cant disagree with you. That was a really good point that you made.

I just think that the kid has a ton of potential and when you hear him talk, he really seems like he love the game. He may be the kid that doesnt feel like he has to work to be great, but its not his fault. That's what he have been told by the people around him as a kid growing up. But, for him to be playing under the best to ever play the game in Michael Jordan I think it will benefit him. MJ is always seen practicing with his guys. I really think that these young highly touted players like Kemba, MKG, and Bazz would only benefit with playing/learning under probably the hardest worker ever to step foot in the NBA.

 

I just want the best player to improve this team. Imo, he's the best player and probably the top 3 in this draft if not for all the bad reps he has gotten. Take away his selfishness and bad body languages on the court, and he is a top 3 player in this draft talent alone.

 

"Shabazz is afflicted with Tourette's Syndrome, though has seemingly dealt with it quite well. Still there are side effects sometimes associated with Tourettes that must be considered (depression, OCD, ADD)" (nbadraft.net)



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:02 PM

 



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:03 PM

I cant disagree with you. That was a really good point that you made.

I just think that the kid has a ton of potential and when you hear him talk, he really seems like he love the game. He may be the kid that doesnt feel like he has to work to be great, but its not his fault. That's what he have been told by the people around him as a kid growing up. But, for him to be playing under the best to ever play the game in Michael Jordan I think it will benefit him. MJ is always seen practicing with his guys. I really think that these young highly touted players like Kemba, MKG, and Bazz would only benefit with playing/learning under probably the hardest worker ever to step foot in the NBA.

 

I just want the best player to improve this team. Imo, he's the best player and probably the top 3 in this draft if not for all the bad reps he has gotten. Take away his selfishness and bad body languages on the court, and he is a top 3 player in this draft talent alone.

 

"Shabazz is afflicted with Tourette's Syndrome, though has seemingly dealt with it quite well. Still there are side effects sometimes associated with Tourettes that must be considered (depression, OCD, ADD)" (nbadraft.net)

 

Wow, I didn't know he had tourette's either.  Interesting.

 

I'm looking forward to the individual workouts.  I think we'll be able to get a sense on who Cho, Higgins, and MJ likes as they go through those.  I'm interested to see their reaction and feelings towards a lot of these guys, including Muhammad.  We'll be able to tell a lot more about him as we get further into the process.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:12 PM

Wow, I didn't know he had tourette's either.  Interesting.

 

I'm looking forward to the individual workouts.  I think we'll be able to get a sense on who Cho, Higgins, and MJ likes as they go through those.  I'm interested to see their reaction and feelings towards a lot of these guys, including Muhammad.  We'll be able to tell a lot more about him as we get further into the process.

 

I really think that we'll be seeing his name mentioned as a possibility as the no.4 pick soon. Remember, just yesterday no one cared about any other guys than Noel or McLemore bc we clearly thought we were going to get the no.2 spot. Now, you, MJ, Cho, everyone else, and I have to re-group our list. It's a lot different list today than what it was yesterday. MJ and Cho will take a serious look on Bazz. I just have a feeling. Cho seen what Harden did in OKC in Houston this past season. Bazz is so similar to him. It's going to be hard to pass up on the kid if he does well once brought in privately.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

 

It's really not bad. Two months ago watching this, and I trashed it only to the reason that he wasnt worthy of the no.2 pick and wasnt as good as McLemore. I watched it twice since last night and he really looked worthy to be the no.4 pick.

 

I feel better with re watching this highlight reel too:
 

 

Shabazz can score with both hands. He played more like a SF at UCLA, but I think his game is going to be at SG in the NBA. Too much like James Harden. He can score in a variety of ways: off screens, transition, and post up on smaller defenders. He's so much like Harden bc of his transition to the rim. His only knock is his defensive effort.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

Also, just look at Golden State for example. That's a franchise that build their team through a young back court like OKC. They decided to go with more veteran presences inside. OKC (2011) and Golden State this year were too fast for other teams to keep up with. San Antonio had serious problem keeping up with Curry, Thompson, and Barnes in the Playoffs. They're killing Memphis right now bc Memphis is no where as quick as those guys. Adding Bazz and finding a veteran presence inside would benefit this team more into the future imo.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:34 PM

Also, just look at Golden State for example. That's a franchise that build their team through a young back court like OKC. They decided to go with more veteran presences inside. OKC (2011) and Golden State this year were too fast for other teams to keep up with. San Antonio had serious problem keeping up with Curry, Thompson, and Barnes in the Playoffs. They're killing Memphis right now bc Memphis is no where as quick as those guys. Adding Bazz and finding a veteran presence inside would benefit this team more into the future imo.

 

 

The problem is that Bazz isn't built like a SG, he's too heavy and thick in the body for that and it slows him down. He doesn't have the quickness in half court sets to take NBA SG's off dribble and create his own shot, which means he needs to either loose some serious weight or he's playing SF in the NBA.  The Bobcat's already have a SF with MKG, so unless you want to draft Bazz and make him loose 15 pounds or so to get his quickness to NBA SG levels, he doesn't make sense for Charlotte to draft. 



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

The problem is that Bazz isn't built like a SG, he's too heavy and thick in the body for that and it slows him down. He doesn't have the quickness in half court sets to take NBA SG's off dribble and create his own shot, which means he needs to either loose some serious weight or he's playing SF in the NBA.  The Bobcat's already have a SF with MKG, so unless you want to draft Bazz and make him loose 15 pounds or so to get his quickness to NBA SG levels, he doesn't make sense for Charlotte to draft. 

 

How?

James Harden: 6'5'' 220 lbs, 6'10'' wingspan

 

Shabazz Muhammad: 6'5'' 225 lbs, 6'11'' wingspan

 

Both are built so similar. I dont see how some are saying he's a SF, not SG.



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:46 PM

How?

James Harden: 6'5'' 220 lbs, 6'10'' wingspan

 

Shabazz Muhammad: 6'5'' 225 lbs, 6'11'' wingspan

 

Both are built so similar. I dont see how some are saying he's a SF, not SG.

 

Harden is a quicker and more explosive player then Shabazz.  Harden is also a better ball handler and passer then Shabazz. They play the game so much differently it isn't even funny. Harden when he drives looks to get other players involved no matter the talent around him. Shabazz is always looking for the shot.  In College Harden averaged over 4 assist per game, Shabazz didn't even average 1. 

 

 

When I say that Shabazz needs to loose weight, I'm saying that because he doesn't show NBA SG quickness at his current weight of 225. He's going to either play SF or loose weight to get quicker. His lack of elite quickness really shows in half court sets. 



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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:00 PM

Who told you that he was a headcase other than the media. He was never made up to be a problem until last season at UCLA. Bazz is a soft spoken, humble, and passionate person. No one is complaining about Westbrook. I think his attitude on the court is far worse. And there's plenty more.


Completely agree with you on Westbrook, but OKC has the players to keep him from going off the deep end.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:30 PM

Harden is a quicker and more explosive player then Shabazz. Harden is also a better ball handler and passer then Shabazz. They play the game so much differently it isn't even funny. Harden when he drives looks to get other players involved no matter the talent around him. Shabazz is always looking for the shot. In College Harden averaged over 4 assist per game, Shabazz didn't even average 1.


When I say that Shabazz needs to loose weight, I'm saying that because he doesn't show NBA SG quickness at his current weight of 225. He's going to either play SF or loose weight to get quicker. His lack of elite quickness really shows in half court sets.


I think you're basing it on Harden's past season. No one really thought Harden was anything more than a role player, 6th man kind of guy until this season. He proved a lot of people wrong that he's capable of being the no.1 guy. Bazz is still only 20 yrs old and we have only seen 1 season of him. It can only get better from here on.


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