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#71 TheRed

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

If you go by the "we're doomed, I want to bitch" posts in here, we may aswell forfeit the season now.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 01:18 PM

Agree with your comments.
 
I hate the offseason.  We just seem to keep having the same 3-4 conversations over and over....just in a different thread.
 
I have high hopes about this season's offense.....especially given all of the comments (from Shula, Tolbert, etc) about how they are going to run the ball and feature the RB's again this season.
 
I see that as a huge improvement......power running game....play action passing game....throw in Cam running a couple of times a game (designed), Cam scrambling, and a few read options......and this could be a fun and dangerous offense.  It would give DC's fits to prepare for.


I only have one thing to add. When the players are excited about what you are trying to do. They tend to play harder, stronger, and smarter. Happy players are better players.

If we have an O that is happier and better than last year? Yeah, we can be dangerous.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 01:32 PM

Smitty may be getting old. But how has his usage altered? What does that even mean? That is what I am up against when discussing this with you.

What does the Jags WR corp having more TDs than ours have to do with this? Another pull a rabbit out of the hat statement from you.

We run a vertical O. You have that right. But we don't run it the way you want, so something has to be done about it? We have a very prolific O when it is working. I see nothing wrong, so I don't grasp at straws to make my points.

Or how about that, only one ball, you love to use? You totally disregard that when healthy, Stewy and DWill were both in the game. At the same time. The problem is Stewy has never been 100%, so it is difficult to rely on him.

Also, you actually stated that Cam sucks at the short throws. This was proven wrong last year when Cam started taking those check downs. But you brought it up to make a point that we need to throw the ball deep. Because that is what Cam likes to do. Every mfing QB in the league wants to throw the ball deep. That is not a new idea.

Those are off the top of my head. You have a history of over inflating your own opinions to make your points sound valid. Personally, I love it. It gives me someone to debate with. If you don't like the way I debate, you don't have to reply to me.

There are literally 1000's of opinions on here to debate. Yours are just more fun because you use your imagination to back your opinion. I like to stick with what I see, read, and hear. Then try to make an informed statement.

Smitty may be the only WR under contract for next year. If that makes you nervous, have at it. Me, I believe that Gettlemen will resign Lafell. If Hixon has the type of year we expect, I expect him to be resigned as well. Pilares has an opportunity, he was involved in the O until his injury. If he plays well, he could be resigned. Adams is still under contract. Ginn has a chance to actually show he can be a WR here. If he can contribute, he may be resigned.

Then there is the draft, and FA. I am quite sure we are not going to go into next season with Smitty and a bunch of, off the street hires.

Ok, that's it for now. I am positive you can dismiss all my claims with some convoluted logic. So have at it. I have the stamina to go all day.

The routes he ran last year where altered....has been discussed here numerous times and stated by people not named CRA.

Smitty wasn't running the deep vertical routes last year inbetween the 20s like has been the norm. undetstandable, as he isnt a spring chicken. They would bring in Murphy to attempt to stretch the field.

Smitty gets open....but he is using vet savy moves and experience greatly now. He doesn't have the speed he did. Nor acceleration. Another example, would be why his YAC was horrible this year by his standards...

I am one if the biggest Cam homers around....and to date he does suck at his short throws. Every QB doesn't like the deep ball....nor is every offense built around it. Luckily we run a vertical pass O and have someone ideal for it

I don't want to talk RBs....or the RB orgasm people look forward to when Williams and Stewart share the field together every once 200 snaps or whatever minuscule number it is

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 01:41 PM

If you go by the "we're doomed, I want to bitch" posts in here, we may aswell forfeit the season now.


The good news? There are fewer and fewer of those doom and gloomers. As the team has improved, they have lost some of their members. It does seem they have moved on from worrying about the team as a whole, to worrying about individual positions. At least it is a start.

Of course, this being the season of optimism, those on the fence are now in hopeful mode. Which leave few doom and gloomers spreading their fear. They ain't never gonna go away. They will just be fewer in number.

So from now, until our first loss of the season, things should be more centered around hope and excitement. With the occasional melt downs, smack downs, and, my favorite, beat downs thrown in for entertainment purposes.

I love me some offseason. The time when a fans true colors shine.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

The routes he ran last year where altered....has been discussed here numerous times and stated by people not named CRA.

Smitty wasn't running the deep vertical routes last year inbetween the 20s like has been the norm. undetstandable, as he isnt a spring chicken. They would bring in Murphy to attempt to stretch the field.

Smitty gets open....but he is using vet savy moves and experience greatly now. He doesn't have the speed he did. Nor acceleration. Another example, would be why his YAC was horrible this year by his standards...

I am one if the biggest Cam homers around....and to date he does suck at his short throws. Every QB doesn't like the deep ball....nor is every offense built around it. Luckily we run a vertical pass O and have someone ideal for it

I don't want to talk RBs....or the RB orgasm people look forward to when Williams and Stewart share the field together every once 200 snaps or whatever minuscule number it is


They used Murphy to stretch the field not Smitty? So we only threw deep with Murphy? Really? You want to go with that one? I get you think Smitty is a shell of his former self. But you want to use this to make that point?

I guess that ol' college education was a total waste. Because I still don't see how Smitty had his routes altered. Are you saying that prior to last year all he ran were vertical routes? Smitty go long routes? Because that is how it sounds.

XClown wasn't a vertical route. Crossing patterns, slants, outs, curls, and fades are now part of his game plan? Where they weren't before? And here I was under the impression he ran all these routes his whole career. Now I find out he was basically a one trick pony. Damm that is disheartening.

And yes. Any QB with an arm wants to throw the deep ball. WCO still throw the deep ball. Some coaches throw more shorter routes than deep routes. But the deep route is in every playbook. We just happen to have a QB that throws a nice deep ball. And when he committed to it, he threw a nice short ball as well.

The read option we ran at the start of the year was heavy with both DWill and Stewy both on the field. I love how you dismiss that one with, the 1 out of 200 times they were together. That is what I mean by you using your imagination to make points. I looks good on paper. But it holds no weight.

So the points you are trying to make are. Smitty was made to run shorter routes because he was ineffective at running vertical routes. Cam sucks at the shorter passes, so we need to throw deep more. Hence we need a #1WR that can stretch the field for Cam, because we are bereft of talent at the WR position.

I guess if you think that Smitty can't get the job done we need to replace him. But wait...he is still a #1WR. I am confused no end.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

They used Murphy to stretch the field not Smitty? So we only threw deep with Murphy? Really? You want to go with that one? I get you think Smitty is a shell of his former self. But you want to use this to make that point?

I guess that ol' college education was a total waste. Because I still don't see how Smitty had his routes altered. Are you saying that prior to last year all he ran were vertical routes? Smitty go long routes? Because that is how it sounds.

XClown wasn't a vertical route. Crossing patterns, slants, outs, curls, and fades are now part of his game plan? Where they weren't before? And here I was under the impression he ran all these routes his whole career. Now I find out he was basically a one trick pony. Damm that is disheartening.

And yes. Any QB with an arm wants to throw the deep ball. WCO still throw the deep ball. Some coaches throw more shorter routes than deep routes. But the deep route is in every playbook. We just happen to have a QB that throws a nice deep ball. And when he committed to it, he threw a nice short ball as well.

The read option we ran at the start of the year was heavy with both DWill and Stewy both on the field. I love how you dismiss that one with, the 1 out of 200 times they were together. That is what I mean by you using your imagination to make points. I looks good on paper. But it holds no weight.

So the points you are trying to make are. Smitty was made to run shorter routes because he was ineffective at running vertical routes. Cam sucks at the shorter passes, so we need to throw deep more. Hence we need a #1WR that can stretch the field for Cam, because we are bereft of talent at the WR position.

I guess if you think that Smitty can't get the job done we need to replace him. But wait...he is still a #1WR. I am confused no end.

Just bc you caught the ball 15 yards downfield....doesn't mean you where running a vertical route being asked to be the field stretcher.

case in point Brandon LaFell....

In the past, Smith ran tons of vertical to routes....not in 2013 inbetween the 20s. I can recall Cam hooking up with him once on such in 2013 and the commentators made a point to single out Smitty fooling the defender. He just doesn't have the speed to burn guys in the outside anymore. No one suggested that is all he ever did....those routes were drastically reduced however for him.

Smith is still a good WR....his game is changing. Carolina is adapting. To not acknowledge that is just choosing to ignore it IMO.

We need to throw deep bc that is what our offensive scheme requires. Cam happened to be a perfect fit bc that is his best ball. Smith simply put can't do what Mike Wallace can in terms of stretching a field....he could at one time....point is those days are over. Cam and this offense need that guy to be at max potential

In two seasons, you wouldn't even use up all your toes counting the plays Williams and Stewart where in the field together.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:35 PM

Let's be honest here.

Smitty may no longer be a top 5 WR. But he is still elite.
Olsen is in the same category, elite type TE.
Lafell is a good and solid #2.

All we need from Hixon is for him to be healthy, reliable, and effective. He was not brought in here to supplant Smitty. He was brought in to shore up our #3WR position.

Yes we could use a Mike Wallace type WR to add to the mix. But to make it sound like we are the only team that can say this, or that we are not going to be any good because we didn't get one, is simplistic logic at its best.

There are more teams that need a solid #2 than there are teams with 2 solid #1s. We are better off than most teams at the WR position. Just because we don't have the best WR corp in the league does not mean we cannot be effective.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

Let's be honest here.

Smitty may no longer be a top 5 WR. But he is still elite.
Olsen is in the same category, elite type TE.
Lafell is a good and solid #2.

All we need from Hixon is for him to be healthy, reliable, and effective. He was not brought in here to supplant Smitty. He was brought in to shore up our #3WR position.

Yes we could use a Mike Wallace type WR to add to the mix. But to make it sound like we are the only team that can say this, or that we are not going to be any good because we didn't get one, is simplistic logic at its best.

There are more teams that need a solid #2 than there are teams with 2 solid #1s. We are better off than most teams at the WR position. Just because we don't have the best WR corp in the league does not mean we cannot be effective.

The problem with making very generous statements about players on team board....is that if they are addressed as such that person comes off as a "hater".

For example, Olsen is a good TE and great fit here. Elite? You must have a very broad definition...

I don't expect Smith to be an elite #1 WR this year. Not sure he was such last year....but again, everyone defines elite differently. How you define it matters before talking who is or isn't.

No one said we couldn't be effective today with our talent....but that isn't really what all this WR talk is about. About maximizing our potential during this window with Cam.....and I don't think we are doing as good of a job as we could

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:53 PM

simply being effective is fine if you're happy just being ok and maybe better than average. when you want this team to be great and dominant , just being effective isn't enough.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

Just bc you caught the ball 15 yards downfield....doesn't mean you where running a vertical route being asked to be the field stretcher.

case in point Brandon LaFell....

In the past, Smith ran tons of vertical to routes....not in 2013 inbetween the 20s. I can recall Cam hooking up with him once on such in 2013 and the commentators made a point to single out Smitty fooling the defender. He just doesn't have the speed to burn guys in the outside anymore. No one suggested that is all he ever did....those routes were drastically reduced however for him.

Smith is still a good WR....his game is changing. Carolina is adapting. To not acknowledge that is just choosing to ignore it IMO.

We need to throw deep bc that is what our offensive scheme requires. Cam happened to be a perfect fit bc that is his best ball. Smith simply put can't do what Mike Wallace can in terms of stretching a field....he could at one time....point is those days are over. Cam and this offense need that guy to be at max potential

In two seasons, you wouldn't even use up all your toes counting the plays Williams and Stewart where in the field together.


So how far down the field do you need to be, to make the catch a vertical one?

Case in point Lafell.? What case, what point? Lafell runs the underneath routes while Smitty runs the deeper routes. If we send Lafell deep with Smitty, who runs the underneath routes? Oh wait... Hixon.


You say that Carolina is adapting to Smitty. By altering his routes, right. If I don't agree with this statement I am ignoring the whole thing? Hard to argue this fact, well, maybe fact is to strong.

Our Offensive scheme does not require we throw deep. It is a philosophy, not a requirement.

Smitty is still a viable #1 WR, to ignore that fact is to underscore his abilities. Which you have done on numerous occasions. All because you want a burner.

Just because you have your heart set on some Mike Wallace clone. You have gone out of your way to dismiss Smitty, and what he brings. Not one fact to back up your thesis. Just your fervent hope we can replace him with some fast guy so Cam can throw the ball down the field.

Like I said earlier. 20,000 posts don't mean much when someone gets their imagination in a huff. Smitty bad. Wallace good. I get it.


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