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#106 rayzor

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:13 PM

The other part of that which you fail to understand is the average person don't know court room decorum, thus judges tend to issue a warning on first offense. You can't exclude the human factor when dealing with humans. The position of a judge is NOT to punish but to interpret the law. We put our trust in them to do just that. That judge's behavior was uncanny and unprofessional. A casual questions expect a casual response. That goes for any field.

what makes you think he didn't already receive warnings for his actions in the courtroom?



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:39 PM

I think most of the disagreement on here is over whether the judge SHOULD HAVE exercised her discretion.  It's plainly in the rules that she can.  But, discretion is not, as the argument goes, evenly applied.  Case in point, an ass slap should have been ignored or issued a warning.  I disagree.

 

That judge has to be there everyday.  The same people that complain that superstars shouldn't get special treatment are probably the same ones saying that the treatment here was too harsh [not directed at any one on here, just a general observation].  Something doesn't mesh there.

 

The judge doesn't want ass-slappers running amok in her courtroom.  She nipped it in the butt; and what is a better way to tell the parties [and attorneys] entering her doors everyday, "Hey, I'm not taking any poo!" than using a high-profile celebrity/athlete/circus clown?

 

As for general court decorum, different courts at the trial level on up have different "styles," so to speak.  Backwoods Mississippi? Probably not as formal even at the appellate level.  Innercity Minnesota?  Probably pretty damn formal starting at the trial level.



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:41 AM

what makes you think he didn't already receive warnings for his actions in the courtroom?

 

We're going based solely on what we see in the video. If we start assuming then the possibility is endless.



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:14 AM

We're going based solely on what we see in the video. If we start assuming then the possibility is endless.

that's exactly what you've been doing. you're assuming that was the first time the judge had gotten onto him for actng inappropriately in her courtroom. i think it's highly unlikely that is the case.

 

it's her courtroom and she has to control it and make sure that business in there stays at a certain level of respectfulness. it's also likely that his wasn't nearly the only case in that courtroom that day. she had to ensure that disrespectful and inappropriate behavior didn't continue in there.

 

he didn't deserve the plea bargain. he deserved what he earned. she was being gracious in accepting the plea deal and it apparently had more to do with the job his lawyer did than chad's "winning" personality. his behavior was inappropriate for the seriousness of what happens in that courtroom. he admitted he was wrong and started celebrating getting away with it too early. she gave him what he had coming. he has only himself to blame for the 30 days in the hole.



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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:24 AM

I believe its been reported that this wasn't the first time Chad has caused a disturbance in her courtroom. Add to that the fact that he basically stopped reporting to his probation officer.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:31 AM

I guess the bailiff should be suspended for laughing. You guys are uptight and the judge abused her power. Chad himself didn't laugh and wasnt making a joke. She was a woman clearly trying to stick it to chad because of the domestic violence issue. A male judge and this wouldn't have happened.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:41 AM

I guess the bailiff should be suspended for laughing. You guys are uptight and the judge abused her power. Chad himself didn't laugh and wasnt making a joke. She was a woman clearly trying to stick it to chad because of the domestic violence issue. A male judge and this wouldn't have happened.

There's a good reason the bailiff turned away from the judge to laugh....the second part of your post is BS speculation. The judge is responsible for the decorum of the courtroom. She was offering leniency...he lost that, she didn't deprive him of something he had a right to.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:42 AM

I've spent some time in courtrooms and Iv'e often seen Judges make jokes drawing laughter. Should they too be punished for not taking the procedures seriously? I've seen far worse than what Chad did. A slap and laughter by himself would have been one thing but the judge told him to thank his lawyer and he did. She was looking for a reason.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:47 AM

There's a good reason the bailiff turned away from the judge to laugh....the second part of your post is BS speculation. The judge is responsible for the decorum of the courtroom. She was offering leniency...he lost that, she didn't deprive him of something he had a right to.


It's not BS any woman would feel some type of way about a man in her court for domestic violence. That's a fact ask a woman. She clearly was looking for a reason. She asked him to thank his attorney and he did. What if he would have hugged his lawyer? Same outcome? Chad actually looked surprised by the laughter. Her actions were overboard. Anybody that has spent time in a courtroom knows that.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:50 AM

She was looking for a reason.



She sure was & his dumbass gave her one.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:54 AM

She sure was & his dumbass gave her one.


Doesn't make it justice.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:55 AM

Anybody who's been in a courtroom for any serious trouble knows that you keep your answers short and sweet and do nothing to give them a reason to hold you in contempt.

The difference is this is Chad Johnson if it was any other joe blow, he wouldn't have gotten the plea deal to begin with.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:57 AM

I kind of agree with Greg Doyel - too harsh, yeah, but so was head butting a woman.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:58 AM

It's not BS any woman would feel some type of way about a man in her court for domestic violence. That's a fact ask a woman. She clearly was looking for a reason. She asked him to thank his attorney and he did. What if he would have hugged his lawyer? Same outcome? Chad actually looked surprised by the laughter. Her actions were overboard. Anybody that has spent time in a courtroom knows that.




She didn't need to find a reason. He gave her one. If she was just trying to make an example out of him, she would've origanally gave him max jail time. She didn't. She let him go with no jail time. THEN he slapped his lawyers ass. At that point she changed her ruling. That's well within her right. He'll end up better this way anyhow. After his 30 days, he'll get off with time served and no more probation. And if you think 30 days is harsh, know that assault on a female carries upwards of a 150+ day in jail. Chad still got off light...

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:16 AM

It's not BS any woman would feel some type of way about a man in her court for domestic violence. That's a fact ask a woman. She clearly was looking for a reason. She asked him to thank his attorney and he did. What if he would have hugged his lawyer? Same outcome? Chad actually looked surprised by the laughter. Her actions were overboard. Anybody that has spent time in a courtroom knows that.

Now you are saying a female judge is incapable of being non-prejudicial and fair when it comes to male defendants in domestic violence cases. Absurd. It was a probation VIOLATION hearing...she signed off on a LENIENT punishment. He screwed himself. She acted completely within her right. If a judge wants to lighten the mood by cracking a joke, they are totally within their right to do that. They are in complete control in their courtroom....they work there every day and are responsible for the environment they create.


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