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Okay, so you claim there are numerous examples....I ask for only one...and you can't give one. I said it happens but the only examples I know where GM/OWNERS.

I will have to ask again....Rivera is 3rd in line in regards to what? Playcalling? What happens on the field come Sunday?

It's quite simple. 

 

It depends who holds the power/resume. That's the nature of the business. 

 

If a GM has the clout and the power (and especially if the head coach is new, inexperienced or unproven), they will many times dictate to the coach all type of things regarding their planning, preparation and coaching. That's no secret. You don't need examples for that. It's the power dynamic, and happens all the time in all sports. By nature, coaches are third in line in the pecking order of power.  

 

The only coaches that don't get meddled with, are coaches who have respect, track records, and are their own men. Yes, successful coaches may hold a lot of clout. Absolutely! However, Rivera's not one of them. 

 

And even successful coaches, can be let go, not re-signed by powerful General Managers who have the owners respect, faith or support, when the relationships run it's course. 

 

IAH is right. 

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Talent has cost Rivera many games....coaching a few.

 

The Panthers were in about 26-28 of their past 32 games the last 2 years (and something like 1-16 in games decided by 7 or less points). 

 

That appears more of a coaching, leadership problem than anything else (such as player inexperience). 

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1. Belichick wasn't a big time coach either 2 years in. I think people are too tough on Rivera....he admits he is learning. Dude knows his X's and O's.....and I wouldn't give Gettlemen an edge on that stuff.

2. Rivera has to worry about pleasing Richardson....more so than Gettlemen. Big Cat makes the calls here....our history backs that.

3. If the Big Cat trusted our old first time GM as much as some imply.....he would have allowed him come in here and build his team. He didn't. JR made the call on the Rivera/Cam era and basically told Gettlemen to deal with it.

 

This is pure nonsense. 

 

Marty Hurney wasn't a Football guy. 

 

If you honestly believe that RR feels he has to please Richardson first before Gettleman, I don't know what to tell you. SMH like a wet dog. This is why there is a hierarchy, a chain of command. And Rivera hold no clout in it. 

 

No one's saying RR can't be a good coach.We hope he will be (especially this upcoming season).  We're just saying he hasn't been a good one so far. He's made too many on field mistakes, cost them many games, and didn't handle his coaches/preparation properly. And these are things he's admitted to. It's no big secret. We pray for a Bellichick. 

 

If Big Cat Loved Ron so much, obviously he wouldn't have let him twist in the wind (and all the rampant speculation regarding his job security that came along with it) like that. He helped embarrass, belittle him. Come on now. Is that your example?

 

And don't confuse, what happened the end of last year, or Big Cat potential ultimate power in retaining or firing RR in the future with Rivera working with his GM, especially when he's on the hot seat. He's in no position to feel his oats, and disrespect his new GM for the owner. This is crazy talk.  By nature, the owner is usually closer to the GM than coach. And I remember hearing/reading somewhere, that Rivera wasn't even Richardson's choice. It was Hurney's. So what natural allegiance would JR hold for Rivera if that was the case (especially over the GM he liked during a interview over many excellent candidates presented by his Consultant, Old Buddy/Respected former GM, Ernie Accorsi), except for saving money?

 

Some people here, act like Rivera has a  lifetime 1st Class pass and Get Out Of jail Free card on The Panthers/in The NFL, and can even disrespect his new GM. It's amazing. This is not a charity, it's a business. If Rivera doesn't get off to a good start this season, he's more than likely fired. It's the same thing, if he doesn't making the playoffs (barring a great record while doing it). You call that Job security??

 

Nonetheless, I hope Rivera has a great year, and shuts us all up (at least till the next one)!

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It's quite simple. 

 

It depends who holds the power/resume. That's the nature of the business. 

 

If a GM has the clout and the power (and especially if the head coach is new, inexperienced or unproven), they will many times dictate to the coach all type of things regarding their planning, preparation and coaching. That's no secret. You don't need examples for that. It's the power dynamic, and happens all the time in all sports. By nature, coaches are third in line in the pecking order of power.  

 

The only coaches that don't get meddled with, are coaches who have respect, track records, and are their own men. Yes, successful coaches may hold a lot of clout. Absolutely! However, Rivera's not one of them. 

 

And even successful coaches, can be let go, not re-signed by powerful General Managers who have the owners respect, faith or support, when the relationships run it's course. 

 

IAH is right. 

 

What GM's do that and please give proof ......article, videos , team statement ????

 

The only person that comes close to is Jerry Jones / owner & gm and he doesn't even do that he just gives the other coaches in the team that power!  so IAH is right

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Some coaches have been GMs as well. Does not happen as much as it used to. But even our own Seifert was the GM. That is power that some owners don't like to give. And I don't seed JR ever doing so again.

Coaches report to the GM. The GM reports to the Owner. That is the pecking order for almost every team nowadays.

Coaches still coach. Coaches still do the day to day, as well as game time, decision making. As long as they do well, and show growth and competence, they stick around. If they falter, or appear lost, the GM may step in and offer guidance.

We are finally lucky in the fact that our Coach and GM of are the same ilk. They are knowledgeable football guys. They appear to get along. They will do what is best to keep this team and Organization moving forward.

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yeah, alot of people were saying trade D-will or Stew but I was saying USE them...by not using them some fans forgot just how good they are...I believe Chud is a dud and I am glad he's gone, thank you Cleveland...now if Chico and the man ( Rivera/Shula) pan out we will have a SUPERBOWL CHAMPION team...having Olsen is almost like having another Steve Smith...so if we really do have this smoking hot defense everyone's talking about then now is the time for a full page ad :)

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It's quite simple.

It depends who holds the power/resume. That's the nature of the business.

If a GM has the clout and the power (and especially if the head coach is new, inexperienced or unproven), they will many times dictate to the coach all type of things regarding their planning, preparation and coaching. That's no secret. You don't need examples for that. It's the power dynamic, and happens all the time in all sports. By nature, coaches are third in line in the pecking order of power.

The only coaches that don't get meddled with, are coaches who have respect, track records, and are their own men. Yes, successful coaches may hold a lot of clout. Absolutely! However, Rivera's not one of them.

And even successful coaches, can be let go, not re-signed by powerful General Managers who have the owners respect, faith or support, when the relationships run it's course.

IAH is right.

So you are arguing a noob GM with a resume of being a talent evaluator.....now is first in line and over Rivera and instructs him in regards to playcalling and gameplanning on Sunday?

Wow.

Gettlemen is now what Chud was after the 2011 season....and overrated and flat out fictional man created in the heads of many.

Again, if it is so easy and so many examples.....name a GM who isn't an owner that dictates gameplans and playcalling to a HC.

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So you are arguing a noob GM with a resume of being a talent evaluator.....now is first in line and over Rivera and instructs him in regards to playcalling and gameplanning on Sunday?

Wow.

Gettlemen is now what Chud was after the 2011 season....and overrated and flat out fictional man created in the heads of many.

Again, if it is so easy and so many examples.....name a GM who isn't an owner that dictates gameplans and playcalling to a HC.

 

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Everyone who knows what Rivera and Gettleman talk about every day can keep telling us who is doing what and we will believe them.  The rest of you keep arguing about something you have no clue about.  It is correct that GM's are over coaches and they typically can pretty much do and say anything they want within reason. Based on the what I have read and seen, I  assume that Gettleman will have final say on all matters and can get as involved in gameplanning and decision making as he wants. But exactly what Gettleman and Rivera's role are now and will become based on whether we win or lose remains to be seen.  I bet they don't even know what exactly they will do in the Fall right now?  So anyone saying they know absolutely how it is or who will do what,  are speculating at best.

 

carry on..................

 

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Everyone who knows what Rivera and Gettleman talk about every day can keep telling us who is doing what and we will believe them. The rest of you keep arguing about something you have no clue about. It is correct that GM's are over coaches and they typically can pretty much do and say anything they want within reason. Based on the what I have read and seen, I assume that Gettleman will have final say on all matters and can get as involved in gameplanning and decision making as he wants. But exactly what Gettleman and Rivera's role are now and will become based on whether we win or lose remains to be seen. I bet they don't even know what exactly they will do in the Fall right now? So anyone saying they know absolutely how it is or who will do what, are speculating at best.

carry on..................

Pretty sure in Carolina coaches coach. GMs are GMs. Until something proves otherwise.

All the sudden we hire Dave Gettlemen and people are giving a first year GM near historical power off imagination. I can see it now, week 1 Cam runs a read option to comeback and beat Sea week 1 in the closing seconds. Gettlemen fanboys will say, "wow, what a creative playcall by Dave. Rivera never could of come up with that. What a smokescreen by ole DG he sure fooled them "

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Everyone who knows what Rivera and Gettleman talk about every day can keep telling us who is doing what and we will believe them.  The rest of you keep arguing about something you have no clue about.  It is correct that GM's are over coaches and they typically can pretty much do and say anything they want within reason. Based on the what I have read and seen, I  assume that Gettleman will have final say on all matters and can get as involved in gameplanning and decision making as he wants. But exactly what Gettleman and Rivera's role are now and will become based on whether we win or lose remains to be seen.  I bet they don't even know what exactly they will do in the Fall right now?  So anyone saying they know absolutely how it is or who will do what,  are speculating at best.

 

carry on..................

 

That's pretty much what I was hinting at earlier...  couldn't agree more.

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did anyone see moneyball...a GM has power and will use it to get over the coach if he disagrees

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