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Cam wants a run game

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How is it that I claim he should be used as a battering ran when I constantly talk about removing and limiting his goaline and short yardage work?

Steve Young wasn't a battering ram....Cam can run more than Young with the goaline piles removed

Sorry....misunderstood you. I thought you supported him in short yardage situations.

My bad

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Cam already is a play from the pocket first player....

And we went more traditional last year in the second half....and that allowed Cam to run more than the first half

I'm not going to argue with you ad nauseum, giving you more unnecessary 'contrarian' attempts/attention that you may crave. So I'll be brief. 

 

1) Do you understand context, history, and/or comprehension?

 

When the writer says 'a pocket passer first', they're obviously stating that Cam wasn't enough of one  last year (and/or that's the teams feelings). No one ever said that Cam wasn't a pocket passer. 

 

2) No one is arguing if Cam runs in space and when the play breaksdown. That's situational. Our issue is: Out of the Read Option sets too often, or as the Go to Short Yardage or Goal Line option too often. 

 

What was written here and elsewhere (in this article, with Panther quotes), was quite clear and self explanatory. 

 

Is it really that hard to understand, comprehend, or acknowledge?

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Sorry....misunderstood you. I thought you supported him in short yardage situations.

My bad

No, that will get him hurt eventually....his running in between the 20s is child's play. He runs smart too...unlike a RGIII who doesn't protect himself

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I'm not going to argue with you ad nauseum, giving you more unnecessary 'contrarian' attempts/attention that you may crave. So I'll be brief.

1) Do you understand context, history, and/or comprehension?

When the writer says 'a pocket passer first', they're obviously stating that Cam wasn't enough of one last year (and/or that's the teams feelings). No one ever said that Cam wasn't a pocket passer.

2) No one is arguing if Cam runs in space and when the play breaksdown. That's situational. Our issue is: Out of the Read Option sets too often, or as the Go to Short Yardage or Goal Line option too often.

What was written here and elsewhere (in this article, with Panther quotes), was quite clear and self explanatory.

Is it really that hard to understand, comprehend, or acknowledge?

Gettlemen didn't say Cam wasn't making plays in the pocket....he was just giving his views on how the position is played in the NFL when asked.

Cam is almost oddly comfortable and stays in the pocket too long for someone with his skills. Unique.

People are making a Gettlemen sound bite into more than it was....

Over the course of two seasons the read option overall has been a small wrinkle.....an option. Again, people focus too much on 4 games of overuse

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So if the boss tells his supervisor that we are going to change directions and instead of focusing on overseas sales we are going to concentrate on domestic sales, is that going to impact the supervisor's coaching to the salesforce??

 

In like fashion when gettleman said we were going to use the read option less and focus on having newton being a pocket passer he was telling Rivera how the play calling would change.  You can be sure that Richardson is in agreement with it or is letting Gettleman do it his way. 

 

Gettleman by the nature of telling what Rivera what he wants to see is influencing the way Rivera coaches. It doesn't take a genius to see that. 

 

 

hahaha .....this argument is pointless  nothing will convince you that your wrong or that i'm wrong......we will let the season play out and see who is right.

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I highly doubt Richardson would be more involved in the coaching and teams direction (at least for this discussion)  than Gettleman. 

 

As far as coaching and direction, just look at Gettlemen's chops, history, resume and background? 

 

Of course he will help Rivera plan his year, direction and coaching/duties. That's his job!

 

This is of course in stark contrast of Hurney, who couldn't get the respect of Rivera, or JR for that matter. 

 

As far as your question again: Gettleman effects the coaching, cause he provides the direction of the team, from the top down, which of course effects the coaching and direction of the team. The De-Emphasis of the Read Option is an example of that. 

 

If you didn't think Gettleman had influence: Why do you think he wanted to watch Tape of all 16 games in 2012, and probably 2011 for that matter? Come on now. 

 

In addition: Remember, in this relationship/situation, Gettleman probably holds more power and clout than Ron Rivera, who up until this point in his career has accomplished nothing as a Head Coach. 

 

 

He provides direction of the team through the players he brings in and managing the salary cap........right now Rivera is Richardson coach not Gettleman.....i never said that he doesn't help Rivera with the coaching but some people on the huddle thinks he has absolute power and changing coaching methods by order........his influence comes from team management of roster and finance.........

 

The De-Emphasis of the read option came when Chud left and Rivera promoted Shula to OC........it doesn't take a GM for the coaching to change that knowing what happened last season .........and probably where implementing the change before  Gettleman was even hired.

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He provides direction of the team through the players he brings in and managing the salary cap........right now Rivera is Richardson coach not Gettleman.....i never said that he doesn't help Rivera with the coaching but some people on the huddle thinks he has absolute power and changing coaching methods by order........his influence comes from team management of roster and finance.........

 

The De-Emphasis of the read option came when Chud left and Rivera promoted Shula to OC........it doesn't take a GM for the coaching to change that knowing what happened last season .........and probably where implementing the change before  Gettleman was even hired.

 

1st point/Paragraph) Rivera's not a big time coach. So what makes you think that Gettleman doesn't have influence over Rivera, especially when Ronnie was on the hot seat last year, when most observers felt he should have lost his job?? Rivera has no express power in this relationship. He's a collaborator at best. That's where the smart $$ is. 

 

2) No, the De-Emphasis of the Read Option, actually started around the middle of the season, when Hurney got fired and Rivera knew his job was on the line, and needed to do something to save it. This was directly expressed by Rivera in a NFL.com article by Albert Breer earlier this year. 

 

I'm sure when Gettleman came in and saw the film (with or with out Rivera and Shula's input), he reinforced the less Read Option notion. And if you watch NY Giants games, it's pretty obvious why. Cam and Eli really do have a lot in common as far as how they throw the ball (excellent, rugged, upright, downfield throwers, who can be inconsistent in the short and intermediate game, who eventually get hot again and make some outstanding throws, plays and drives after). When Gettleman see's Cam, I'm sure he sees Eli as well.  And Cam is way ahead of where Eli was his first 2 years. Makes sense?

 

The reason why many talk about Gettleman vs Rivera the way we do is for three simple reasons:

 

1) Most strong General Managers have Direct input of Coaching Philosophy, Player Direction, and the type of team they will implement. That's no secret.  

 

2) More importantly: Rivera is a weak coach, in no position to dictate to or ignore Gettleman if he knows what's good for him. Rivera's is/has been on the hot seat, and will continue to be, unless his team makes the playoffs, or misses out with a winning record. And the Panthers need that now. You essentially had a team last year, with a inexperienced 2nd year HC, an inexperienced, hard headed 2nd year OC, and a non football GM. Where were the grown ups to over see the children?

 

3) Gettleman, has been around football as long/longer than Rivera. And he came highly recommended--as the GM by Ernie Accorsi, Richardson's GM consultant. Who do you think Richardson trust, believes more at this stage? And if you think it's Rivera, please tell me why with his track record of admitted futility, poor management and in-experienced coaching moves so far?

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hahaha .....this argument is pointless  nothing will convince you that your wrong or that i'm wrong......we will let the season play out and see who is right.

 

The facts prove that you are wrong....but to each his own.

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The facts prove that you are wrong....but to each his own.

 

 

what facts............find it for me and post it.

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The bottom line is: Rivera is in no position to dictate to a New General Manager, when his job security, Leadership, game management , and won/loss record, close games, have been shaky from day one.

 

At best, he's a collaborator. At worst (or more than likely), he's subordinate to the General Manager.

 

Rivera's got a lot to prove in the eyes of Richardson, Gettleman, and the fans, to get a 'Defacto' Benefit of The Doubt in Controlling the team and it's direction, as some here want him to.   

 

How soon do we forget he was hung out to dry, with his fate publicly decided weeks AFTER the season ended. Does that sound like a Coach in a position of power, benefit of the doubt??

 

How is this lost on some of us (shrugs)??

 

 

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