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And this is where the comparison needs to end. Cam played in a very vertical passing offense where RGIII played in the West coast offense. Everyone was so high up on RGII and his passer rating and completion percentage but forgets that the West Coast offense is designed to replace the run game with very short passes. So any decent QB would have high ratings in it.

 

To the point Cam is in the offense best suited for him. RGIII is no were as durable as Cam and to me appears to be another Mike Vick type QB. A QB who runs and is as tiny as RGIII with now 2 ACl injuries will not last long at this level what so ever. RGIII Babied the ball and would only throw to open players where cam would take a chance for a home run pass. Even though it pissed me off on several of Cam's throws, I give him credit for not being affraid.

 

Lets see how Russel, Collen, Luck and RGIII do this season after all the DC's get a full year of tape to review and game plan for them like they did with CAM!

 

Starting with Luck

 

As much as I hate Luck and the hype that follows him, I believe he will be the most successful of the 4 mentioned above.  Luck is a good pocket QB with a good arm.  He should improve on his decision making.  Fans aren't going to be on the Bandwagon if he continues with 18 Ints every season.

 

Russell, IMO will be the second most likely to succeed.  Good arm, smart and a great athlete.  Size is his only issue and he has been addressing that his who life.  Game tape might slow him down some but he does seem to have the nack of making something out of nothing.

 

Colin,  I think with tape he will struggle this year.  His #1 Target Michael Crabtree is out and teams are going to figure him out quickly.  He is still going to be dangerous because he is big a powerful like Cam but I think he focuses on his #1 target too much. 

 

RGIII is a great athlete no doubt, has a win win mentality and you gotta love it, but this isn't college what made him so successful at Baylor is not going to transition to the NFL all that much.  2 knee operations already on the same knee?  Now add a years worth of tape.  DC will game plan to contain him.  His natural instincts will push him to run.  He'll get lite up again and sooner or later he'll lose that mobility that makes him so special.  If he loses that mobility now he becomes Jeff Garcia all over.  Skins IMO will regret the day the dumped all those draft picks for a QB with tons of potential but cannot stay on the field.   

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Luck's arm isn't that good.

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Starting with Luck

As much as I hate Luck and the hype that follows him, I believe he will be the most successful of the 4 mentioned above. Luck is a good pocket QB with a good arm. He should improve on his decision making. Fans aren't going to be on the Bandwagon if he continues with 18 Ints every season.

Russell, IMO will be the second most likely to succeed. Good arm, smart and a great athlete. Size is his only issue and he has been addressing that his who life. Game tape might slow him down some but he does seem to have the nack of making something out of nothing.

Colin, I think with tape he will struggle this year. His #1 Target Michael Crabtree is out and teams are going to figure him out quickly. He is still going to be dangerous because he is big a powerful like Cam but I think he focuses on his #1 target too much.

RGIII is a great athlete no doubt, has a win win mentality and you gotta love it, but this isn't college what made him so successful at Baylor is not going to transition to the NFL all that much. 2 knee operations already on the same knee? Now add a years worth of tape. DC will game plan to contain him. His natural instincts will push him to run. He'll get lite up again and sooner or later he'll lose that mobility that makes him so special. If he loses that mobility now he becomes Jeff Garcia all over. Skins IMO will regret the day the dumped all those draft picks for a QB with tons of potential but cannot stay on the field.

Do you think Cam will end up succeeding then?

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Review these idiots tweets and discuss.

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Luck's arm isn't that good.

 

Luck doesn't have elite arm strength, but it's more than adequate to get the job done. He can make all the throws.

 

I think Luck is going to be very close to what Aaron Rodgers is. He's a very good pocket passer who has the athletisism to escape the pocket when he has to and can throw well on the run.

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Luck doesn't have elite arm strength, but it's more than adequate to get the job done. He can make all the throws.

 

I think Luck is going to be very close to what Aaron Rodgers is. He's a very good pocket passer who has the athletisism to escape the pocket when he has to and can throw well on the run.

 

Luck is very athletic, more so than Rodgers. Luck could do everything Newton does but that isn't part of his game. His athleticism is vastly underrated by fans. 

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Luck is very athletic, more so than Rodgers. Luck could do everything Newton does but that isn't part of his game. His athleticism is vastly underrated by fans.

Luck has good speed and is athletic....but he isn't in the ballpark in terms of being the same double threat in the rushing department. Luck can run....Cam is a significantly more dangerous however.

Luck also doesn't have Cam's arm.

I like Luck....but he can't do what Cam does. Cam's ceiling is higher. Luck IMO has better odds of reaching his though

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Do you think Cam will end up succeeding then?

 

This was for the 2nd year QBs.  The "struggles" that Cam faced.  How will they compare their second season to Cam's?  I think all in all Cam had a good second year.  Once the offense started to look like aregular NFL offense and Cam got to audible I think he had great season.

 

If you look back to when he started running a regular offense and not the Gimmicky Read Option.  I thought he did quite will.  256 (or something like that) passes without an interception.  10-2 overall.  That's pretty good.

 

As I said.  I think Luck has the greatest opportunity to grow because most of the others rely on their legs and defenses will soon try and take that away.  

 

As a QB, Cam has great legs and uses them quite well but unlike Kaepernick, RGIII and Wilson (to a point) he can still be a good QB without the running ability.

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This was for the 2nd year QBs.  The "struggles" that Cam faced.  How will they compare their second season to Cam's?  I think all in all Cam had a good second year.  Once the offense started to look like aregular NFL offense and Cam got to audible I think he had great season.

 

If you look back to when he started running a regular offense and not the Gimmicky Read Option.  I thought he did quite will.  256 (or something like that) passes without an interception.  10-2 overall.  That's pretty good.

 

As I said.  I think Luck has the greatest opportunity to grow because most of the others rely on their legs and defenses will soon try and take that away.  

 

As a QB, Cam has great legs and uses them quite well but unlike Kaepernick, RGIII and Wilson (to a point) he can still be a good QB without the running ability.

 

Only time will tell.  But I hope you're 100 percent right. 

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Luck is very athletic, more so than Rodgers. Luck could do everything Newton does but that isn't part of his game. His athleticism is vastly underrated by fans. 

 

Why do people keep saying that crap. Luck ran a 4.67 and Cam ran 4.58. Big difference. Once your speed start reaching the 4.6ish you're approaching the big boys speed like TE, DE, or even Offensive lineman, the redzone of slow. In Running, a full tenth of a second difference is huge. That .09 difference are two different league kind of athlete. And no, Luck can't do what Cam can. If he could they'd ask him to do it. No owner or coaching staff is gonna watch talent go to waste and not use it.

 

Plus, it's not just running on straight line in a control environment where getting a good start is almost as important as running the races. By the way, did you watch Cam's one single year at Auburn.

 

So, now Luck have hidden athletic potential being bottled by the coaching staff adding to the mystic of Luck? What a joke!

 

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Why do people keep saying that crap. Luck ran a 4.67 and Cam ran 4.58. Big difference. Once your speed start reaching the 4.6ish you're approaching the big boys speed like TE, DE, or even Offensive lineman, the redzone of slow. In Running, a full tenth of a second difference is huge. That .09 difference are two different league kind of athlete. And no, Luck can't do what Cam can. If he could they'd ask him to do it. No owner or coaching staff is gonna watch talent go to waste and not use it.

 

Plus, it's not just running on straight line in a control environment where getting a good start is almost as important as running the races. By the way, did you watch Cam's one single year at Auburn.

 

So, now Luck have hidden athletic potential being bottled by the coaching staff adding to the mystic of Luck? What a joke!

 

 

Luck ran a 4.59 and is every bit of the athlete that Newton is. You're naive or you've never seen Luck play.

 

By the way here is a quote from Belichick on Luck and I would take it that he is a pretty good evaluator of talent.

 

"I don't think there's a lot of difference between him, physically, and a guy like Cam Newton, just as far as being able to run, and be strong and fast and have a good arm."

 

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Luck ran a 4.59 and is every bit of the athlete that Newton is. You're naive or you've never seen Luck play.

By the way here is a quote from Belichick on Luck and I would take it that he is a pretty good evaluator of talent.

I could see the ability to run being a bit comparable but with arm strength/talent cam is way better and there's no comparison (and I like luck and he does have a good arm but not near cam/stafford level good).

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