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Yas: Keuchly 9th best player in the south

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Then you would agree putting Kuechly as #9 is anointing him too fast as well, right? They have played just as long.

Doug Martin is a beast. Loved him as a prospect and unfortunately, he had to get drafted by Tampa. Knew he would be a great halfback.

I'd argue that Martin is definitely in the Top 15 after the year he had but I gotta rank Kuechly above him because he won DROY and made our defense a Top 10 one.

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My Non-Biased Rankings:

1.) Drew Brees, QB, Saints

2.) Julio Jones, WR, Falcons

3.) Matt Ryan, QB, Falcons

4.) Cam Newton, QB, Panthers

5.) Darrelle Revis, CB, Buccaneers

6.) Luke Kuechly, LB, Panthers

7.) Jimmy Graham, TE, Saints

8.) Gerald McCoy, DT, Buccaneers

9.) Jahri Evans, OG, Saints

10.) Charles Johnson, DE, Panthers

11.) Doug Martin, RB, Buccaneers

12.) Ryan Kalil, C, Panthers

13.) Roddy White, WR, Falcons

14.) Carl Nicks, OG, Buccaneers

15.) Darren Sproles, RB, Saints

16.) Vincent Jackson, WR, Buccaneers

17.) Greg Hardy, DE, Panthers

18.) Lavonte David, LB, Buccaneers

19.) Tony Gonzalez, TE, Falcons

20.) Thomas Davis, LB, Panthers

21.) Thomas DeCoud, S, Falcons

22.) Steve Smith, WR, Panthers

23.) Steven Jackson, RB, Falcons

24.) Mark Barron, S, Buccaneers

25.) Jordan Gross, OT, Panthers

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http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/48822/nfc-south-top-25-no-9-2

The list so far (since we love offseason lists):

9 - Luke Keuchly, linebacker, Panthers

10 - Roddy White, wide receiver, Falcons

11 - Ryan Kalil, center, Panthers

12 - Carl Nicks, guard, Buccaneers

13 - Darren Sproles, running back, Saints

14 - Charles Johnson, defensive end, Panthers

15 - Gerald McCoy, defensive tackle, Buccaneers

16 - Vincent Jackson, wide receiver, Buccaneers

17 - Tony Gonzalez, tight end, Falcons

18 - Dashon Goldson, safety, Buccaneers

19 - Sean Weatherspoon, linebacker, Falcons

20 - Lavonte David, linebacker, Buccaneers

21 - Steve Smith, wide receiver, Carolina Panthers

22 - Steven Jackson, running back, Atlanta Falcons

23 - Josh Freeman, quarterback, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

24 - Marques Colston, wide receiver, New Orleans Saints

25 - Da'Quan Bowers, defensive end, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Still waiting for spots:

Matt Ryan, quarterback, Falcons

Julio Jones, wide receiver, Falcons

Drew Brees, quarterback, Saints

Jimmy Graham, tight end, Saints

Jahri Evans, offensive guard, Saints

Cam Newton, quarterback, Panthers

Greg Hardy, defensive end, Panthers

Jon Beason, linebacker, Panthers

Doug Martin, running back, Buccaneers

Darrelle Revis, cornerback, Buccaneers

I'm kind of feeling like Cam is the only remaining Panther that's going to make it. And it looks like Yas thinks the Bucs have 9 out of the top 25 players in the South.

Hardy will. Beason and Evans won't.

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My Non-Biased Rankings:

1.) Drew Brees, QB, Saints

2.) Julio Jones, WR, Falcons

3.) Matt Ryan, QB, Falcons

4.) Cam Newton, QB, Panthers

5.) Darrelle Revis, CB, Buccaneers

6.) Luke Kuechly, LB, Panthers

7.) Jimmy Graham, TE, Saints

8.) Gerald McCoy, DT, Buccaneers

9.) Jahri Evans, OG, Saints

10.) Charles Johnson, DE, Panthers

11.) Doug Martin, RB, Buccaneers

12.) Ryan Kalil, C, Panthers

13.) Roddy White, WR, Falcons

14.) Carl Nicks, OG, Buccaneers

15.) Darren Sproles, RB, Saints

16.) Vincent Jackson, WR, Buccaneers

17.) Greg Hardy, DE, Panthers

18.) Lavonte David, LB, Buccaneers

19.) Tony Gonzalez, TE, Falcons

20.) Thomas Davis, LB, Panthers

21.) Thomas DeCoud, S, Falcons

22.) Steve Smith, WR, Panthers

23.) Steven Jackson, RB, Falcons

24.) Mark Barron, S, Buccaneers

25.) Jordan Gross, OT, Panthers

So how is Revis number 5 when he didn't play in 2012 and is coming off a serious knee injury? He hasn't played 1 down in the NFc South. McCoy at 8 also makes little sense when his numbers were worse than our own Dwan Edwards.  Edwards had 6 sacks and 52 tackles to McCoy's 5 sacks and 30 tackles.

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Kuechly already rated higher than Smitty, C J and Kalil based on just his rookie season?

I like Luke, but I'm not sure I'd go that far.

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Hardy technically COULD still be on this list...I've counted 7 surefire locks in Brees, Cam, Ryan, Julio, Jimmy Graham, Doug Martin, and Revis. I'm thinking the last spot probably goes to Jahri Evans but just MAYBE Hardy is there...

When he talked about Charles Johnson at 14, he mentioned Hardy and gave him his props...so he obviously recognizes his talent.

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Greg ain't making it and Jon FOR sure isn't. Can't imagine Greg being ranked higher than Big money.

 

I don't think Yas will rank him either, but I can certainly see him having the bigger season.  He's gotten better each year, and he's playing for his next contract.

 

I bet we can all go around and around on who will do better, CJ or the Kraken, but is there anyone out there who doesn't think each will have a better year than Bowers?

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I'd argue that Martin is definitely in the Top 15 after the year he had but I gotta rank Kuechly above him because he won DROY and made our defense a Top 10 one.

 

I am not arguing otherwise.  My point is if it is too early to rank Martin in the top 10, then I would figure he would agree it is too early to rank Kuechly in the top 10 as well considering both have the same amount of years played.  Unless somehow it is "different."  

 

On that same token, Charles Johnson is once again criminally underrated.  Kuechly, as of this moment, is not better than him.

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So how is Revis number 5 when he didn't play in 2012 and is coming off a serious knee injury? He hasn't played 1 down in the NFc South. McCoy at 8 also makes little sense when his numbers were worse than our own Dwan Edwards. Edwards had 6 sacks and 52 tackles to McCoy's 5 sacks and 30 tackles.

- Like it or not, Revis is the best corner in the NFL until proven otherwise. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

- Numbers don't highlight everything. Take McCoy out of that starting line up, and The Bucs' DL isn't as effective up the middle. Miller was a two-down DT with limited pass rush. In addition, Gerald did a better job at defending against the run than D. Edwards.

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- Like it or not, Revis is the best corner in the NFL until proven otherwise. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

- Numbers don't highlight everything. Take McCoy out of that starting line up, and The Bucs' DL isn't as effective up the middle. Miller was a two-down DT with limited pass rush. In addition, Gerald did a better job at defending against the run than D. Edwards.

Revis used to be a great corner. Right now he is coming off injury and has to prove he still has it not the other way around. And your McCoy argument makes little sense. Saying they would be bad without him doesn't make him great it speaks to a lack of depth. And if it he is better against the run than Edwards then why did Edwards have almost twice as many tackles. And if everyone passed more against the bucks then why did Edwards get more sacks with little help in the middle. I am not arguing that Edwards should be up there simply that McCoy is overrated and had a mediocre year and others deserve that spot.

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Revis used to be a great corner. Right now he is coming off injury and has to prove he still has it not the other way around. And your McCoy argument makes little sense. Saying they would be bad without him doesn't make him great it speaks to a lack of depth. And if it he is better against the run than Edwards then why did Edwards have almost twice as many tackles. And if everyone passed more against the bucks then why did Edwards get more sacks with little help in the middle. I am not arguing that Edwards should be up there simply that McCoy is overrated and had a mediocre year and others deserve that spot.

 

Curious...  Do the Buc's run the same scheme that the Jets did?  If not, is it one that would take full advantage of Revis' skills?  Assuming he's healthy of course.  A couple of years ago Nnamdi Asomugha was considered to be one of the best, if not the best corner in the league, and went to the Eagles.  He wasn't nearly as effective in their scheme as he had been in Oakland. Like Revis, he was solid in physical man-to-man coverage, but he ended up being lost in the zone.

 

So basically, while Revis could be a hell of a talent if he's fully recovered, that doesn't mean he will be effective, does it?  I know Schiano made some changes, but don't the Buc's still run a lot of Tampa 2?  And I'm asking here, because I'm too lazy to go look it up. :)

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Kuechly already rated higher than Smitty, C J and Kalil based on just his rookie season?

I like Luke, but I'm not sure I'd go that far.

Judging from what he did in his rookie season, I say otherwise. Smitty isn't what he use to be and Kalil struggled a bit (prior to the injury). Kuechly, in my opinion, deserves the spot.

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