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If It Wasn't Clear That We Need Offensive Line Help (OTL Stat)


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#1 CarolinaPanthers8789

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:20 PM

I just finished a great day of fishing at the beach and came back to the beach house and happened to turn on OTL on ESPN.

 

They were discussing Gettleman's comments about Cam and though I don't condone watching ESPN, Jackie McMullan presented a great stat.

 

- Cam has been hit 320+ times since 2011. The player that comes in second has been hit 180 times since 2011. With a stat out like this, you would think that the Carolina Panthers would address the offensive line position.

 

- Bomani Jones also mentioned a common stat among Panther fans being that the Panthers have lost 13 of their 19 games by a touchdown or less.

 

Note: By addressing the offensive line position, I don't mean drafting a DII project in the fourth round.

 

On a side not, Bill Plaschke believes that we will win 10 games and be a playoff team this year.

 

It's nice to hear people that are somewhat knowledgeable of our team speak rather than jackwagons like Prisco, Schein etc..



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:28 PM

I'd be curious to see if those are cross-referenced with runs. We have run Cam a lot over the past two seasons, so I wouldn't chalk it up all to bad o-line play.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:47 PM

The national media were ignoring the team prior to Gettleman's comments. Maybe Getts knew what he was doing all along. Good to see people come to Cam's defense.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:52 PM

I'd be curious to see if those are cross-referenced with runs. We have run Cam a lot over the past two seasons, so I wouldn't chalk it up all to bad o-line play.

 

yeah this makes a huge difference



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:57 PM

Yea, Cam led the team in run yards and ran often, so the numbers are going to be skewed



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:04 PM

Yea, Cam led the team in run yards and ran often, so the numbers are going to be skewed


True but consider that Cam had to abandon the pocket because our O-Line couldn't hold up (especially the right side). He literally had to run to keep the offense on the field.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:05 PM

Plaschke, MacMullan and Jones also appeared on ATH and defended Cam there too.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:07 PM

While he did have to run out of the pocket a lot, in the early part of the season, much of it was by design.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:07 PM

Honestly that number wasn't due to the line.  Newton was sacked 36 times last year- 16th among teams.  Rodgers was sacked 51 times.  In 2011 Newton was sacked 35 times for a total over the 2 years of 71 times.  By contrast he has run 253 times over the past 2 years.

 

So is it the offensive line or the read option?



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:11 PM

If our GM can't see this as an issue then we are in trouble. I don't believe that to be the case though.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:13 PM

True but consider that Cam had to abandon the pocket because our O-Line couldn't hold up (especially the right side). He literally had to run to keep the offense on the field.

How many more times did he scramble compared to other mobile quarterbacks? Why doesn't he throw the ball away like other quarterbacks instead of running it? Or dump it off instead of holding it??

 

No, Newton has a history of holding the ball, stretching out plays and trying to run with it when he should throw it away.  Most of the hits he takes are designed plays or hits that frankly could have been avoided. 

Sure the oline wasn't great but given the injuries and wholesale changes from week to week, they actually did a decent job all things considered.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:13 PM

While he did have to run out of the pocket a lot, in the early part of the season, much of it was by design.


It's a mixture of both, I agree, but there were games like Week One that made our offensive line appear like straight up garbage. On numerous plays, defenders came in untouched.

Unexcusable.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:15 PM

It's a mixture of both, I agree, but there were games like Week One that made our offensive line appear like straight up garbage. There were several plays where defenders came in untouched.

Unexcusable.

And what does Brees or Brady do when they see someone come in untouched?  Dump it off or throw it away.

 Why? Because they know they can't run. The double edged sword for Newton is that because he can run and avoid sacks he tries to do it all the time instead of throw it away and live for another day.  he has to learn that throwing it away can be better than trying to run and taking a 10 yard sack.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:23 PM

How many more times did he scramble compared to other mobile quarterbacks? Why doesn't he throw the ball away like other quarterbacks instead of running it? Or dump it off instead of holding it??

No, Newton has a history of holding the ball, stretching out plays and trying to run with it when he should throw it away. Most of the hits he takes are designed plays or hits that frankly could have been avoided.
Sure the oline wasn't great but given the injuries and wholesale changes from week to week, they actually did a decent job all things considered.


Did he run more than RG3 and Wilson? Nope. Yet, he was slammed and sacked more than those two. Decent job? Get your eyes fixed. That core had a subpar performance for most of the year. Not only could they not protect Cam by acceptable standards, they struggled to open running lanes for our RBs too. Is that a coincidence? Again, NO.

Does Cam hold onto the ball too long sometimes? Yes, but only because our receiving options couldn't get open nearly enough. That said, there's no excuse for O-Line to have breakdowns like we had last year. Granted, injuries set this core back but we weren't having a stellar year before injuries set us back.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

And what does Brees or Brady do when they see someone come in untouched? Dump it off or throw it away.
Why? Because they know they can't run. The double edged sword for Newton is that because he can run and avoid sacks he tries to do it all the time instead of throw it away and live for another day. he has to learn that throwing it away can be better than trying to run and taking a 10 yard sack.


Are you comparing our O-Line to Brees' and Brady's? Horrible comparison. Just stop right there.


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