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"Chud's in Cleveland and We're Going to Leave Him There" DWill

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He could of done a better job situationally....Cam deserves more credit than Chud for the numbers

i feel he coulda made better adjustments, but he took what he did in 11' and tried to make it bigger.  our oline wasn't up for it.  execution is way more important than the call itself.

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i feel he coulda made better adjustments, but he took what he did in 11' and tried to make it bigger. our oline wasn't up for it. execution is way more important than the call itself.

Our OL wasn't up for any offense...to be fair.

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Life isn't Rudy. Nobody wills their way to victory.

There is the chance he turns it around but i'm not betting that someone who has shown multiple times he's not up to the job will suddenly be up to the job.

Nobody said that this was Rudy bro...

I gave several reasons as to why I think that he'll be successful... If you want to disagree its your right to do so, but an attempt to belittle me when I've made some valid points is a little ridiculous to me. It's not like I'm guaranteeing his success. I just think it's highly probable that he will be successful with his cast and the reasons I gave.

I hate having hypothetical pissing matches...but I will disagree with you one another thing too. People will themselves to victory every single day, through hard work, determination, and faith.

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Wow... After most of you were saying the exact same thing last year after the first couple of games that D Lo, Cam, Smitty, and Kalill also hinted at. Now you guys are going to bash Cam and D Lo and stick up for Chud? The hell? That's some wishy washy poo right there

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My take?

Chud played his cards to the strength of his best player. Generated franchise best production.

The former best players didn't like it. But they aren't the key anymore.

Should he have been more balanced? Sure... but situational playing was a bigger issue than our offense as a whole

The former best players didn't like it? No one liked it. Cam didn't like it. #89 didn't like it. #67 didn't like it. #28 didn't like it. #95 didn't like it. Jerry Richardson didn't like it. After Hurney was terminated he had a meeting with Rivera and told Rivera that the offense had to change. Nobody liked it. What do you mean by "the former best players didn't like it."? #89 said in the article that one of the main things was the under- utilization of Tolbert. That was orgy talking about a role player not involved. Has nothing to do with "former best players" not getting numbers. has everything to do with the notion that the players and organization felt he was putting his personal agenda before winning games.

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Chud was about to get fired and then got saved by Cleveland. He was causing all kinds of problems with other coaches and the players and it was reported after the season ended and before he got the Browns job. 

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Chud was about to get fired and then got saved by Cleveland. He was causing all kinds of problems with other coaches and the players and it was reported after the season ended and before he got the Browns job.

Exactly...

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The more players that come out against Chud, the more pissed I get at Rivera, because he allowed Chud to run all Walter White on the team.

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As I said before, Chud was a putz and he dicked with the offense to show his future employers how creative he was.That's over now and this offense better show up Sunday. They can talk the obvious about the old OC now,but I want see them to come out and prove their point.

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"With the first pick of the 20?? NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select......."

Just insert the next 3 years because this is how each one of them will begin. Chud was a terrible OC and will prove to be an even worse coach unless Norv Turner can make him look good. Doubt it though, because Chud thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and his ego will keep him from listening to Norv when he tells Norv to put Weeden in the option and pass 75% of downs. He is the true example of high risk/ high reward but with minimal rewards.

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The former best players didn't like it? No one liked it. Cam didn't like it. #89 didn't like it. #67 didn't like it. #28 didn't like it. #95 didn't like it. Jerry Richardson didn't like it. After Hurney was terminated he had a meeting with Rivera and told Rivera that the offense had to change. Nobody liked it. What do you mean by "the former best players didn't like it."? #89 said in the article that one of the main things was the under- utilization of Tolbert. That was orgy talking about a role player not involved. Has nothing to do with "former best players" not getting numbers. has everything to do with the notion that the players and organization felt he was putting his personal agenda before winning games.

This.....and it didn't work. 

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Smitty started this whole non-sense when he decided to pop off about Chud. Talk about startin poo...I mean irrelevant poo. smh...bag on someone after they are out the door.

 

Chud was not fired. He left us. If he was fired, then Smitty's comments may be, just may be, would have had more credibility. If Chud sabotaged our offense so he can get a HC job, then it fugging worked! If he got cute with his playcalling to be a HC next season (Ya, like the primary focus on an OC's mind early in the season is to get a HC gig the next season...gtfou), then it worked! What a stupid logic. Considering the type of offenses we suffered under before Chud got here, I consider Chud's 2 years here to be a success as evidenced by teams pursuing him after 2011 as well as 2012. Only better OC we had was Gil Haskell. I think we should watch a few games before we bow to saint shula. Season has not even started.

 

I wanna be promoted at my job. Every coordinator wants to get a head coaching gig. These Chud theories are just conjecture and pretzel logic. Even if they had a point, what purpose is are they serving right now? Just sounds to me that some players finally found a safe way to explain away why our offense sucked the 1st half of last season. Glad they don't pay them for their opinion. Only person I feel bad for now is Shula. They've officially anointed him before the season started, and he doesn't exactly have the best resume as an OC.

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The former best players didn't like it? No one liked it. Cam didn't like it. #89 didn't like it. #67 didn't like it. #28 didn't like it. #95 didn't like it. Jerry Richardson didn't like it. After Hurney was terminated he had a meeting with Rivera and told Rivera that the offense had to change. Nobody liked it. What do you mean by "the former best players didn't like it."? #89 said in the article that one of the main things was the under- utilization of Tolbert. That was orgy talking about a role player not involved. Has nothing to do with "former best players" not getting numbers. has everything to do with the notion that the players and organization felt he was putting his personal agenda before winning games.

Didn't like our offense or play calls...those are different.

28 games define what the Chud O was more so than the 4 everyone only talks about. Williams fits an old school offense....Stewart never complained. He fit and when healthy saw tons of snaps.

.....and I agree, with Smith and like the Observer pointed out...Tolbert was underutilized. That was the most correct thing Smith said.

But all in all....Steve Smith talks too much. Rather these guys focus on 2013.

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