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Ron Rivera: Norv Turner Clone?

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The ignorance on this forum is amazing. Norv Turner has never been a DC for any NFL team.

He's referring to Rivera.

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This team has all the pieces to at least be competitive, it boggles the mind how we continue to get beaten by crappy teams year in year out. The only reason the Bills won is because their D-Line is nasty. If they traded D-Lines with, say, Atlanta? We win, hands down. That's still no excuse. This team has the talent already on the roster to play competitively. Yes the O-Line is terrible, yes the receivers leave much to be desired, yes the secondary is a basket case. But ALL teams have holes. The good teams learn to cope with those holes.

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During his years as a DC in San Diego, the Chargers had one of the best defenses in the NFL, along with one of the best offenses. Super Bowl? Playoff domination? Nope. Underachievement. Norv Turner was often criticized by the same terminology used to describe Rivera. Here is what they did together--see a pattern?

2008 Chargers were 4-8 and won the last 4 to finish 8-8 and make the playoffs.

2009 Chargers were 2-3 and won the last 11 games to finish 13-3. Upset in playoffs

2010 Chargers were 2-5 and then went 7-2 to finish the year at 9-7. Incredible underachievement

Now lets take a look at what you already know, the Panther record over the past 2+ seasons, under RR's guidance:

2011 Panthers start season 2-8, win 4 of 6 to finish the season at 6-10.

2012 Panthers start season 2-8, win 5 of 6 to finish the season 7-9.

2013 Panthers start season 0-2......

Did we get the Hispanic version of Norv Turner? Same dermatologist, same philosophy.

Too bad Norv Turner has never been DC. Kind of destroys the whole comparison.

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Too bad Norv Turner has never been DC. Kind of destroys the whole comparison.

 

  Nobody was learning DC from Norv and it makes no difference what RR was at the time--Rivera was learning HC from Norv. 

 

Please tell me that point did not escape you.

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I see your point...it was just worded poorly in the OP IMHO. My apologies.

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No Guts No Glory...Rivera

Usually the student does better but not in this case

Plus they different...Ron is more defensive minded

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Was Turner typically considered very conservative?  I didn't think that was his MO.  Underachieving yes, but conservative?

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rivera isn't fit to whiff norv's jock strap.

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I think Rivera is more of a Mike Singletary.....

Now hopefully we can find our Jim Harbaugh

We could have had our Jim Harbaugh. It was a guy named Jim Harbaugh. He happened to be the guy that most people thought was the front runner for the Panthers job in 2011, but we never interviewed him. Turns out he wasn't willing to work for below league average salary. Oh well, I'm sure we'll do just as well with the guy we hire on the cheap.

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Was Turner typically considered very conservative? I didn't think that was his MO. Underachieving yes, but conservative?

Norv inherited a very stacked and talent-filled squad. Underachiever is not the word I would use to describe him.

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