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Are Cam and Rivera adjoined at the hip?


Best Answer DRSundrop, 21 September 2013 - 10:40 AM

I think the message the OP is trying to convey is that Gettleman could possibly view our HC and QB as one. Perhaps the OP is insuating they are linked together as in they may not be here long but I dont think the OP is saying they ARE LINKED together and should GO as some of you are flaming him for.

 

First off, I'm completely for the Carolina Panthers not any one individual on the team. I think Cam is an exceptional QB that is inevitably linked to Rivera but I'm certain Gettleman has the knowledge to assign fault for this teams failures and shortcomings and understands that Newton can be successful in this league.

 

The best comment or question I've seen on our offensive woes was the other day and I don't know who said it so I'm not sure who to give credit to but someone asked "Would you put Manning in a read option offense? ..So why you keep Cam in the pocket?"

 

The main trouble here is that we don't know the root of the problems because we as a fanbase are kept in the dark about the inner workings of this team and can only speculate.

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#111 tiger7_88

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:02 PM

Lol you can choose to be blind to it but I'm just saying you can't stare down receivers in this league. 

 

 

I agree.  If you stare down receivers, that leads to more and more interceptions.

 

Like Cam's... ermmmm... ONE interception?

 

Great point.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:08 PM

I think that Cam will be dealt if he cannot become the pocket passer Gettlemen wants-and that could be a mistake.  I think you could be 100% correct, but I also think, in the wrong system, giving Cam $120 million could be equally as tragic. 

 

For Cam to be great, he needs weapons, protection, and the option to run.  I am not sure Gettlemen sees football that way--he sees them multi-threat QBs as gimmicks.  I could be wrong, but we all have to piece it together.
 

Cam is not being handled right at the moment, if you ask me.  If Gettlemen bases a decision on a player with no protection, weapons, and coaching--dealing Cam could be the lowest point--like when the Steelers sent Unitas to Baltimore.  You remember that, don't you?  :)

 

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Just going to throw this in here after seeing those other Cam Newton threads with quotes from Jerry Richardson saying that "Cam is the last quarterback I'll ever have"... 

 

If Jerry Richardson believes in Cam being this team's future, and it came to a point where David Gettleman wants to trade Cam away. Who would Jerry Richardson put his weight behind, the QB he believes is this team's future, or the general manager he has hired to build a contender?

 

I think it would be interesting to see who Jerry would back, because while Gettleman has done as good a job as he could to date, there are plenty of up and coming people that could get their chance as a GM in the next season or two. And while young QBs come along each year, QBs like Cam are come along once in a while. 



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:13 PM

No I wouldn't give Cam Eli money right now. I'm curious though, which QB in his third year or less would you give Eli money to?

 

I am giving the Gettlemen perspective from what we know if him through his actions and comments.  He would probably feel comfortable giving that kind or money to second year QBs- Andrew Luck, maybe Tanneyhill, and maybe Kaepernick because he has shown to be effective in the pocket. 

 

There are only about 10 starting QBs on first contracts, so that is a rather large number.  I firmly believe that Gettlemen has no interest in the Vicks and RGIIIs. 

 

My point was this:  Cam is going to have to improve in the pocket before Gettlemen makes him rich.  He is not going to give $120 million to what he sees as a gimmick.

 

Just speculation.  I hope Cam has the support (players and coaches) and shows everyone he can do it.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:17 PM

 

Personally, though, I can't see any new head coach wanting to get rid of Cam Newton as his QB. Cam has made a big impact on the league so far. He's thrown for over 8,000 yards, 43 TDs, and a 1,500 rushing yards and 22 TDs. 

 

 

This is really all that needs to be said.

 

Wait, no... I'm sorry.

 

CAM OVERTHREW A RECEIVER BURN HIM BURN HIM BURN HIM!!!!~111!!



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:19 PM

However, from Gettlemen''s perspective, which is what I offered, he (apparently) thinks Cam has the weapons and protection

 

 

Then Gettlemen is a goddammed moron (if that is what he truly thinks).



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:26 PM

When I first heard his comments about Cam "winning", I was taken aback a bit until I read it in the context that it was conveniently taken out of. If you are going to present that quote it is important to do so in it's entirety.

 


 

On this "pocket passer" talk. If that's what we have planned, shoehorning Cam into an offense that doesn't fit him, then not only are we wasting our time, we are wasting his. I seriously hope that isn't what our GM is doing.

 

 

Not sure how expecting your QB to start winning is taken out of context.  Winning is the only context.

 

The second point is not just talk, it is talk from the GM.  And you state what I have been saying the whole time--It is the reality of the situation--not treason to say it.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:31 PM

Not sure how expecting your QB to start winning is taken out of context.  Winning is the only context.

 

The second point is not just talk, it is talk from the GM.  And you state what I have been saying the whole time--It is the reality of the situation--not treason to say it.

 

Expecting your QB to start winning while at the same time refusing to upgrade one of the the worst o-lines in Panthers history makes you either a fuging idiot or a disingenuous asshole.
 



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:34 PM

Btw, the last time Cam left the field, we were winning.

 

But I guess it's Cam's fault we lost, even though the GM who told him to start winning refused to upgrade the secondary that lost us the game.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:35 PM

Not sure how expecting your QB to start winning is taken out of context. Winning is the only context.

The second point is not just talk, it is talk from the GM. And you state what I have been saying the whole time--It is the reality of the situation--not treason to say it.


I'll have to look. Joe Person tried to twist it all into a big story by describing a "pregnant pause" from Gettleman.

There were numerous threads about this. There was definitely more to it.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:41 PM

Preach it brother teeray!

I love how worked up y'all get over things you don't know.. I love to speculate too, but there is a point where you have to trust those who are paid to make decisions.

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