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Can someone explain to me What the downside is to Firing Rivera mid-season


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#16 Zaximus

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:34 PM

There is absolutely zero downside.  It's not happening with Rivera.  Worst case we suck like we were already going to and have a high draft pick.  Best case, a miracle happens and we find a perm coach.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:35 PM

1) It's unlikely that McD would save this season

2) JR hates firing people mid season - when he and I spoke he said he felt he paid a coach to develop players and that firing them was basically letting them off the hook.  Also, he literally told me that would cost money and fans don't like when he has to recoup losses since the like prices being low LOL

3) Reality is the season isn't totally lost, even if most of us feel it is... I mean, it's four games in and we aren't making the playoffs but you never know I guess.

 

The remaining schedule has the Panthers playing the Saints twice and the 49ers and Patriots.  That's 4 guaranteed losses to pile on.  Even if Carolina swept the Falcons and won the rest of their games (also having to play @ Miami), they'd only be 9-7.  That MIGHT get you a wild card spot but things would definitely have to turn around in a hurry and no one sees that happening.  The schedule is really rough after Week 8 starting with Atlanta.  Hell this team will probably lose to Tampa too.  Unless the Panthers decide to start playing real football after they are eliminated from playoff contention again (I guess this is likely), the Panthers are staring down a 5-11 record.  



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:36 PM

What does this mean? How does this issue take care of itself? Is Rivera going to quit?


It means this season will play out the way it is going to play out and decisions will be made. It may come mid season or it may come postseason, but that ship will sail.

And this season is not dead yet, it is on life support though.

But I don't see the benefit of firing him right now. There may not be a downside, but what is the benefit except to give the masses their scapegoat?

#19 mav1234

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:37 PM

You actually talk to JR?

Talked to him, back in 2010.  I complained about the team and he called me.  I've talked about it a few times and a bunch of other people had the same thing happen.

 

He basically defended keeping Fox pretty heavily and told me I'd see he was committed to winning.  I really believe he thinks what he is doing will lead to him winning in this league, but I just hope he realizes we need to develop Cam, whom he later said will be his last QB.



#20 mav1234

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:39 PM

Actually, there is a downside...

 

We're not going to bring anyone in from the outside.  So, we're not going to get someone to help Cam and his development.

 

However, I feel that Rivera has been a positive influence on Keek, and I think that he will continue to benefit from him for the rest of the season.

 

As much as the offense suffers with Rivera as HC, the defense improves.  I think that if our defensive leader can absorb more of Rivera's past experience, it can have a really big positive, long term.

 

I'm not saying keep Rivera all season, but right now, the season isn't completely gone yet.  Let's see what we can do.  I just hope our offense finds some kind of identity...



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:41 PM

Who else would run the show?  What kind of message does it send to your guys?  "Welp, I guess since there's no coach, I'd better play it safe so I can find a job next year."  Or "Welp, I guess I can blame my bad year on no coach."  Or "Man, I really liked Coach Rivera, and I will hate whoever replaces him on principle!"  (Actually, that happens in all professions)

 

Rivera will finish the year because we have no other options.  He will also finish because his team still tries, still plays hard.  That's something!  And let's not forget that Rivera did go for it on 4th and 1 and LaFell dropped it because he wanted to start running...

 

The team is a product of Rivera.  May not always be good, but they do try really hard.  Better than the Jags.  



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:42 PM

Actually, there is a downside...

 

We're not going to bring anyone in from the outside.  So, we're not going to get someone to help Cam and his development.

 

However, I feel that Rivera has been a positive influence on Keek, and I think that he will continue to benefit from him for the rest of the season.

 

As much as the offense suffers with Rivera as HC, the defense improves.  I think that if our defensive leader can absorb more of Rivera's past experience, it can have a really big positive, long term.

 

I'm not saying keep Rivera all season, but right now, the season isn't completely gone yet.  Let's see what we can do.  I just hope our offense finds some kind of identity...

kudos mav, i was hoping someone could bring a good argument and you have... my problem is... do we have proof that Rivera has been instrumental in developing anyone so far?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:42 PM

1-3 is a better situation this year because we are only 2 games out of the wildcard. Pretty much done but 2 wins is not out of the question despite how bad we have looked.

 

I would do it at 1-4.

 

Anyway here is an article on firing coaches midseason

 

http://www.nfl.com/n...-decisionmakers



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:43 PM

Not being a smart azz but is this true?? I hear this all time but I haven't seen anything credible to prove it.

 

JR has the final word. There is no doubt.

 

Just look at our past history. It was Jerry who was behind the purging of our roster in 2010. It was Jerry who decided to not pay two coaches at the same time and make John Fox a lame duck head coach that year. Now Jerry is doing the same thing with Ron Rivera this year.

 

It's happening right before our eyes.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:44 PM

As others have said, if Rivera is making our defensive players better then keep him on and let him keep doing it.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:44 PM

kudos mav, i was hoping someone could bring a good argument and you have... my problem is... do we have proof that Rivera has been instrumental in developing anyone so far?

 

Not exactly, but I would be surprised if he hasn't helped Keek a lot.

 

I do think that Rivera has some major issues relating to personnel, though, and while I think he has done a good job at times of coaching up the D I don't think our offense has responded at all.

 

I really regret us not spending the money to get Norv Turner this offseason.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:45 PM

I honestly can't see the downside, how much less prepared can we be?


The sad truth is that there's no real upside either.

There's no miracle comeback to be had out of this. No spark that ignites the players. There's no undiscovered SuperCoach to be had on our staff.

Any notion that it makes our season better is a pipe dream.

That Rivera is gone at the end of the year seems fairly certain. Having him gone sooner doesn't really make it any better. It's just another log on the dumpster fire.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:08 PM

Why is he still our coach?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:33 PM

The sad truth is that there's no real upside either.

There's no miracle comeback to be had out of this. No spark that ignites the players. There's no undiscovered SuperCoach to be had on our staff.

Any notion that it makes our season better is a pipe dream.

That Rivera is gone at the end of the year seems fairly certain. Having him gone sooner doesn't really make it any better. It's just another log on the dumpster fire.

 

I'm sure the players are frustrated with the way things are, including the obvious ineptitude of this coaching staff, so firing Rivera and putting a guy like McDermott in charge might at least signal to the players that we're not going to settle for the status quo. 



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:43 PM

I'm sure the players are frustrated with the way things are, including the obvious ineptitude of this coaching staff, so firing Rivera and putting a guy like McDermott in charge might at least signal to the players that we're not going to settle for the status quo.


I'd say the Beason trade showed them that.

Gotta remember that Rivera is popular with the players. Firing him midseason may piss them off as much as anything.

Mind you, that's not a reason to keep him beyond this year.


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