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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:44 PM

Luck to me is by far the best young QB in the NFL. 

What does that even mean? That's the point of this thread. You say it but you don't even know how to explain what makes him best. You say it just because you want it to be that way. But, what if he fails?



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:46 PM

Dude, Andrew Luck is not a failure by any stretch of the imagination.

I understand what you're trying to say (I think). But I disagree with your premise that pure pocket passers are somehow lesser QBs than more athletically gifted QBs. It all depends on the guy, and the situation. Moreover, Luck is an athlete. He is not some lead-footed tortoise in the pocket the is unable to elude pressure by a step here or there, or straight take off down the field.

In my opinion, a better post would have been how the powers that be in the NFL been rethinking the role of mobile QBs, and their ability to effectively and successfully play the position. Where you made your error was thinking that you have to put pure pocket passers down to prop up more mobile and athletic QBs that have ascended to a certain level of prominence in the league in recent years.

There is room for both types of QBs, and particularly QBs that can do it all. But, at the same time, there will always be a place for pure pocket passers who are accurate and make good decisions.


Good post. Just be aware you're not talking to someone who's trying to make a sensible argument :lol:

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:47 PM

The psychology seems to be that if the media says a particular QB has the "necessary tools to be the next great QB," then we must blindly believe them. The same thing applies when they say a certain QB needs to "prove himself" and they set out to endlessly scrutinize him.  

 

Case in point Luck and Cam and how they are treated by both the media and fans and to some degree, the teams. Trent Richardson was well worked out during the Colts game last night but are those in the media putting the lost of the team on Luck? NOPE! They are putting the team lost on Richardson and the rest of the team. Luck gets some blame too but more in regards to the team "not stepping up to help him." Folks buy into the BS and simply repeat the nonsense.

 

But when the Panthers lose, not only is it Cam's fault but some folks, including the media, will justify their feelings by ignoring the team endless mistakes and simply focus on picking Cam's game play apart. They then go into the usual: "he has accuracy and footwork issues, and needs to improve" nonsense. You will never hear anyone both in the media or fans, saying Smitty or the Panthers need to step up and help Cam, like they do with Luck.

 

And Cam isn't the only QB. There are a lot of QBs in this league who are way more talented than Luck but are not the "Chosen QBs" so they have to make their teams look good, not the other way around, and they have to "prove themselves" under endless scrutiny.  

Thank you sir for watching the same sports I'm watching.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:54 PM

LOL No. fuging RG3 was a track star as well.

 

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Luck is very fast for a QB, only a tenth or so slower than Newton. 

If this were the 100 meter, Cam would leave Luck in the dust. Being that Newton have this freakishly long legs it takes a little longer to reach top speed. As you can see in this gif Cam starts to separate from him once he reaches top speed. Bolt has similar body type with Cam and he also starts too.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:00 PM

Luck also gives a calming vibe, which I don't get from any of those Qbs named. He does everything right and seems real, which can't be said about a lot of those other mobile qbs. He was asked after yesterdays game if the loss was bad & asked about the clinching INT. He said this loss is the worst because its fresh, & that's true. He also said you can't blame the WR for a lot of what happens because there is a lot of things that happen during the game in which the WR helps out the QB. I don't think the mobile QBs really understand the intangibles of the game as well as a Luck would. Also, the "mobile" Qbs are A, gonna have to be as big as Cam is, or B, theyll be playing with a serious injury some point early in their career. The positions gonna continue to be won by what goes on in the QBs head, the athletic stuff is cool & flashy, dunno if its a superbowl winning style though.

Maybe it's all in your mind. By the way, Luck have difficulty dropping the ball between the DB and Safety, that's why he got intercepted. I can tell you adore Luck just by reading your words. You mentioned nothing related to football.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:14 PM

What does that even mean? That's the point of this thread. You say it but you don't even know how to explain what makes him best. You say it just because you want it to be that way. But, what if he fails?

 

So true.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:19 PM

LOL No. fuging RG3 was a track star as well.

 

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Luck is very fast for a QB, only a tenth or so slower than Newton. 

 

Being fast and elusive on a track is not the same as on the field. Cam is  built like a sleek truck for a QB, plus he is quite elusive.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:30 PM

Can't remember the last time I was on a 3 day drunk



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:33 PM

Luck also gives a calming vibe, which I don't get from any of those Qbs named. He does everything right and seems real, which can't be said about a lot of those other mobile qbs. He was asked after yesterdays game if the loss was bad & asked about the clinching INT. He said this loss is the worst because its fresh, & that's true. He also said you can't blame the WR for a lot of what happens because there is a lot of things that happen during the game in which the WR helps out the QB. I don't think the mobile QBs really understand the intangibles of the game as well as a Luck would. Also, the "mobile" Qbs are A, gonna have to be as big as Cam is, or B, theyll be playing with a serious injury some point early in their career. The positions gonna continue to be won by what goes on in the QBs head, the athletic stuff is cool & flashy, dunno if its a superbowl winning style though.

 

What do you mean by this? I don't get why "mobile QBs" which usual was/is a code word for "black QBs," understand the intagibles of the games less than those immoble QBs.

 

I saw the game last night. What part of Luck's performance gave you the impression that he has a "calming vibe?" The guy never even seem to look for anyone else besides Trent Richardson for most of the game. He was dinking and dunking for most of the game. The couple of times he did look down field, he either over threw the ball or his receivers had a bad case of the drops.

 

This is my third time watching Luck play and it's the same style of dinking and dunking that he was doing the previous two times. I honestly don't know why he's seen as being any better than Dalton. I guess when you have well connected family members and friends in the sports media, it helps.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

Wow. Still at it Kk? You are either very lonely or very dumb. Very very dumb

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:51 PM

If this were the 100 meter, Cam would leave Luck in the dust. Being that Newton have this freakishly long legs it takes a little longer to reach top speed. As you can see in this gif Cam starts to separate from him once he reaches top speed. Bolt has similar body type with Cam and he also starts too.

 

 

Being fast and elusive on a track is not the same as on the field. Cam is  built like a sleek truck for a QB, plus he is quite elusive.

 

Did I ever say that he wasn't?

 

Look, I hate Luck and I think that he's not really that great and by all accounts he's having the very definition of a "game manager" type year. He's posting below Alex Smith type numbers. 

 

But the idea that he's not athletic, let alone a "lead foot" is fuging moronic and anyone who argues from that perspective is a damned fool. 



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:53 PM

fug andrew luck and the team he plays on, but if we didn't have cam newton at quarterback i'd love to have luck.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 08:24 PM

Did I ever say that he wasn't?

 

Look, I hate Luck and I think that he's not really that great and by all accounts he's having the very definition of a "game manager" type year. He's posting below Alex Smith type numbers. 

 

But the idea that he's not athletic, let alone a "lead foot" is fuging moronic and anyone who argues from that perspective is a damned fool. 

 

I was making a point. Not accusing you of saying anything.

 

Plus, I personally don't hate Luck. I simply don't like being forced feed false hype. I much prefer all the QBs to be judged by the same measuring stick and let time determine their true greatness.

 

Dan Marino is consider great but he never won a SB.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:35 PM

Maybe it's all in your mind. By the way, Luck have difficulty dropping the ball between the DB and Safety, that's why he got intercepted. I can tell you adore Luck just by reading your words. You mentioned nothing related to football.


Woah woah relax daddyeo... I do adore Luck but I'm not side taking in this obvious subliminal racial seperation... Id take Cam over Luck if I'm starting a franchise for a few reasons. 1, Cams mobile, while safe when running. 2. Cams younger than most of the "young QBs" in the NFL. 3. If we could utilize Cams abilities every week, we have ourselves the most dynamic QB in the history of the game. Cams been making huge strides lately, week to week, and they're huge strides.

Reason I dislike Robert Griffin compared to Luck: Griffin is system based and what we're seeing is that he was reliant on his mobility and while it may be back, the whole world knows that hes limited in the way he runs and if he were to take more bad hits, career over. He doesn't look super accurate and he fumbles too much. If he has the accuracy to stay in the pocket, I like him a lot more than I like him mobile.

Reason I dislike Kaepernick compared to Luck: Outside of Philip Rivers, Kaep may have the worst release in the nfl. He has an absolute cannon of an arm and is lightning quick, but, hes been the biggest game manager of all the young qbs. The defense, that offensive line, and running game are the real stars and he has a fraction of the weight on his shoulders compared to all of these guys except for maybe wilson. Too many question marks, still.

Reason I dislike Wilson compared to Luck: Wilson is my favorite young QB not named Newton or Luck because you can tell he's a real student of the game. He's not super flashy or outpowering, but he has great pocket presense, good mobility and an accurate arm. If he were put into a worse situation, would things be different, yeah, but on a game to game basis I see him make throws that Kaep hasnt.

Reason I like Luck: Hes almost the exact median of a mobile and pocket QB. He takes command of the game and team and outside of yesterdays egg, hes been clutch and just overall fundamentally sound.

Dont jump on my ass because im a fan of the Luck, I wouldn't take him over Cam but id certainly take him over the rest of those young guys.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:58 PM

Wow. Still at it Kk? You are either very lonely or very dumb. Very very dumb

Since Luck is so great how can one not stay on top of his greatness. Maybe his greatness can rub off on me.


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