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#196 Mr. Scot

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:33 PM

Well, you gave an example of an obvious racial attack/stereotype, what about one that isn't obvious?

 

As presented, sure.

 

The whole argument comes down to perception honestly.  You've got some who automatically put any criticism of a black QB in the 'racist' category.  Me?  I just prefer to look at the individual QB.  I'm not looking for racism under every rock.

 

Do I miss cases of actual racism?  Probably, but I'm willing to bet the people on the more frequent event is those on the other side of the argument seeing it where it doesn't exist.

 

If the statement isn't obvious and you've gotta read the bias into it, there's a pretty good chance the bias isn't in them.  It's in you.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:36 PM

Your turn dumbass.

 

Just to be clear...I call white people dumbass too.

 

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#198 Mr. Scot

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:37 PM

Wait, they criticized Pickles for being disingenuous and having a fake smile (among many other retarded things)?  I must've missed that.  

 

I do remember Kiper saying he'd quit his job if Jimmy didn't turn into an elite quarterback or some poo though.  Guess what QB Mel Kiper wasn't high on in the 2011 draft?  Cam Newton.

 

Sounds like someone should save him the trouble of quitting and go ahead and fire him.

 

Fake smile?  No, but these are direct quotes from his PFW profile...

 

Has a sense of entitlement... Arrogant - can come off as having all the answers and struggle to win a locker room. Still immature. Comes across as overly staged, scripted and disingenuous in interviews and does not have the type of presence desired in the face of a franchise. Is not a fan of the weight room...

 

Gruden had some similarly negative stuff to say about him on draft day.  Ironically enough, there were those on this board who bashed Gruden for those criticisms after we picked him.

 

As to Kiper, if they fired him for being wrong about a high pick, he'd have been gone years ago.
 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:40 PM

And on Griffin's character... I always got an arrogant, snide type of vibe off of him.  I tried liking the dude but I just couldn't bring myself to it, and I never understood all that love he was getting for his humble personality, etc.  He's always seemed faker than a three-dollar bill to me.  Surprise surprise, things get rough and the facade wears thin.

 

The whole Cam/Aaron Rodgers thing, the way he referred to himself in his pressers like he'd already arrived thing, the condescending Tony Romo after the game thing, the wedding gifts thing, the McNabb thing, the possible wedding scandal thing, the butting heads with the coach this offseason thing, the "Operation Patience" thing, and his friggin' documentary.

 

Yeah, he's humble alright.  Who could've saw this coming?  *cough* *raises hand*



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:41 PM

And on Griffin's character... I always got an arrogant, snide type of vibe off of him.  I tried liking the dude but I just couldn't bring myself to it, and I never understood all that love he was getting for his personality, etc.  He's always seemed faker than a three-dollar bill to me.  Surprise surprise, things get rough and the facade wears thin.

 

The whole Cam/Aaron Rodgers thing, the way he referred to himself in his pressers like he'd already arrived thing, the condescending Tony Romo after the game thing, the wedding gifts thing, the McNabb thing, the possible wedding scandal thing, the butting heads with the coach this offseason thing, the "Operation Patience" thing, and his friggin' documentary.

 

Yeah, he's humble alright.  Who could've saw this coming?  *cough* *raises hand*

 

I'll admit up front I never got that.

 

Griffin never seemed to me like anything but a really nice kid.  Smart, funny, great teammate, etc.

 

My question with him was his durability.  His talent and character always seemed solid.

 

So again the question: Has he changed or is this who he always was and he just hid it well?

 

(admittedly, I thought Pat White would succeed too) :unsure:
 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:50 PM

I see that the idiots who believe that any criticism of a QB who happens to be black is only made because if racism.

At least you guys are persistent in your views....fuging stupid... But at least persistent.

 

 

i cant find anywhere where anybody said that.

 

but ok.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:58 PM

Lol what a bunch of stupid ass people on that board "hahahaha I canz reads a stats sheet! Thats how ill make my assessment on who the better qb is"!! 11! 1111!! You can tell their football intelligence is elementary and that they just scroll espn and agree with the talking heads. Try watching film and actually educate yourselves, jesus

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 06:06 PM

Guyz, Scot already disproved racial stereotypes with the same exact argument that accomplished and proved as little then as it is now.

 

Remember, in his vigor to defend Narwocki on his characterization of Cam as a lazy, non-leader, selfish, fake smile, completely untrue and baseless profile, he gave us all this completely non-informational quiz about racism.

 

He didn't understand it then.  He doesn't understand it now.  He won't understand it tomorrow.

 

http://www.carolinah...24-racism-quiz/

 

 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 06:11 PM

Yeah, that was pretty stupid. Forget who said it (Something Parker?)

Griffin's draft profile was pretty good. My biggest concern with him was his durability (which has turned out to be valid).

The behavior he's throwing out there now/ Didn't see that coming at all. Even in his first year he behaved like a team guy who took responsibility for his own actions (and even those of others). This latest stuff? Just doesn't seem like the same kid.

I guess the question becomes whether stress turned him into this or this is who he really was all along?

realistically, we'll never know the answer to that.


I think Griffin simply had too many people in his ear his first season telling him what he wanted to hear, instead of what he needed to hear. Cam dealt with questions all through his season at Auburn, and through his first three years in the NFL, and he pushed forward.

Griffin is going to have to scale everything back in the offseason, mainly the media persona, and constant exposure.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 06:17 PM

I think Griffin simply had too many people in his ear his first season telling him what he wanted to hear, instead of what he needed to hear. Cam dealt with questions all through his season at Auburn, and through his first three years in the NFL, and he pushed forward.

Griffin is going to have to scale everything back in the offseason, mainly the media persona, and constant exposure.

 

I'd agree that Griffin never had to deal with adversity much.  Truth be told, that's a lot of guys when they get to the NFL.  They've been anointed as golden boys since high school (for some, even earlier).

 

Heck, even Newton wasn't used to losing, and at first didn't really handle it well, but he was drafted into a good environment with leaders that helped him adjust.

 

Griffin's got Shanahan, and I'm a longtime Shanahan detractor because I've never seen him build any sustained success without John Elway quarterbacking for him.  His "QB Guru' rep is built largely on one QB.

 

I've long been of the belief that where a guy is drafted has a lot to do with is success.  Heck, I even think Clausen could have been at least moderately successful had he been drafted by Andy Reid.  Likewise, Tom Brady could have wound up a nobody had he gone to the Raiders.

 

(I get a lot of flack for that particular theory, but hey...) :unsure:



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 08:34 PM

Excerpts from a few draft profiles.  See if you can tell who they are...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only hint I'll give is that they were all considered among the ten best QB prospects available the year they were drafted.

 

"So hey guys here's some cherry picked excerpts from scouting reports on white and black QBs. As you can see they're all uniform because I made sure that each except had nothing in it that could be considered stereotyping. And since none of my hand picked excerpts lacking context have 'is black' directly in them as a critique, racism is clearly dead. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a date with a creationist museum and a wax velociraptor to mount like my forefathers before me."
 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 09:06 PM

I used to be a guy that believed that race had very little to do with how people especially athletes are perceived in the world but after really paying attention to the criticism or praise that a white player gets compared to a black player of the same position and similar talent, I realize it exists. It is subtle but it exist. You can here in the commentators when they describe a TD pass from a black qb to be more of the receivers talents and instinctual play but when it is a white qb throwing a td pass it is "a great pass under pressure" and more praise for the individual praise of the white receiver.

 

I don't know if it is racism as much as just a mindset that as always existed, I wonder in the broadcasters themselves consciously know



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Posted 01 December 2013 - 12:29 AM

nfl.com reports redskin officals stated rg3 was in fear of losing his job to kirk cousins



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Posted 01 December 2013 - 12:32 AM

give Cam a call. he can guide your thru it lol.

Johnny Football will confirm that is a good move



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Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:08 AM

I can't believe all the excuses they keep making for RG3 this morning on the NFL Network (to open the show). 

 

He got all the accolades last year, when it was Alfred Morris and Shanahan that should have received it. Now (right or wrong), he's getting the blame.  

 

Even if his knee was not fully healed. He was the one that rushed back, cause he was afraid that Kirk Cousins would take his job (plus, RG3 can't throw from the pocket to begin with, so his legs are very important to him). 

 

I did not hear one their "analyst" say, 'he can't read a defense, 'he got too much credit last year to begin with (as Sean O'Hara did earlier this week); 'it was actually the read option, run games, and all the fakes--that led to wide open receivers--that made him successful'. 




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