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#16 Sean Payton's Vicodin

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:49 PM

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Also, poo like this is not counted as well. 



#17 Proudiddy

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:52 PM

I get what you're saying but  even Smith himself has gone out of his was to  publicly criticized Chud's approach amongst others.

 

Yeah, but I also think there was more to that, as in Chud being an arrogant asshole.

 

We obviously won't know the answer, but I'm just wondering aloud.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:53 PM

If you have a stat on cam's average time from snap to pass attempt I'd like to see it

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:56 PM

If you have a stat on cam's average time from snap to pass attempt I'd like to see it

 

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 06:06 PM

Not going to post a 100 screen shots but heres some neat info.

 

I used a 50% of teams overall snaps qualifier so there was 26 total qbs listed.

 

 his 3.09  seconds was the third most "time to throw" defined as "the point until he attempts a throw, is sacked or scrambles past the line of scrimmage" (could be an inflated by his dancing in the pocket)

 

the 2.73 seconds it takes for him to attempt a pass is the 6th longest time.

 

the 4,63 seconds before he is sacked is the 2nd most time (granted he buys more time by dancing in the pocket and hard to decipher how much of that dancing is distracting him from finding an open target)

 

at 5.94 seconds Cam holds on the ball longer than anyone before deciding to scramble (except peyton who just doesent scramble past the line at all lol)

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 06:06 PM


Thanks for this

This is pretty symptomatic of a lack of weapons and/or slow developing routes

I want a talented big physical motherfuger that won't get jammed at the LOS by a defensive back and uses his body to maintain positioning. Anybody like that in this draft?

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 06:13 PM

Its a ting and yang here. Cam holds longer than most but in reality why? We all know how slow the wrs are so run a little earlier. Yes here I go again with the bootleg. Now the db's has to cheat in some.
Do we even run pump fakes?
What % of passes are straight drop back vs play action?
Good coaching can not only mask weakness it can get the other team off balance.
But we all are just going in circles now with all of this.

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#23 panther4life

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 06:13 PM

Thanks for this

This is pretty symptomatic of a lack of weapons and/or slow developing routes

I want a talented big physical motherfuger that won't get jammed at the LOS by a defensive back and uses his body to maintain positioning. Anybody like that in this draft?

 

Don't know man I sell cars (reason I had time for this thread today as we were super slow) but it requires working every Saturday so I don't have the luxury of staying up on college ball. I will find someone to latch onto again this year. I recommend using www.draftbreakdown.com to see video cutups (fast forwards to only the snaps of the individual you want to self scout) to select my personal favorites.
 



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 06:17 PM

Its a ting and yang here. Cam holds longer than most but in reality why? We all know how slow the wrs are so run a little earlier. Yes here I go again with the bootleg. Now the db's has to cheat in some.
Do we even run pump fakes?
What % of passes are straight drop back vs play action?
Good coaching can not only mask weakness it can get the other team off balance.
But we all are just going in circles now with all of this.

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Excellent post. None of us have the time even if we had the skill to go back and properly analyze the game tape to find all these answers. Plus we don't dictate what the Gettleman does by our post but its still fun to discuss upcoming possibilities in the draft and do your best to support your stance.



#25 panthers55

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 07:55 PM

Can't be. Shula is an excellent OC. Right?

That is such a nonsequitor.  Just because he scrambled 16 times for first down out of a total of 20 per game or over 300 first downs hardly means anything about Shula. And just because he scrambled for a first down didn't mean he scored any points.  The reality is that he ran for 6 TDs and some of those were scripted by Shula and some were Newton innovating.

 

Sure Cam was a big part of the offense but to say that those scrambles proves anything about Shula stretches the bounds of of any kind of reality.  I know you want to discredit him but that argument wouldn't hold water in an elementary school debate.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:14 PM

"If our QB wasn't so good our offense wouldn't be as good. See guys!!!"

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:19 PM

Not going to post a 100 screen shots but heres some neat info.

I used a 50% of teams overall snaps qualifier so there was 26 total qbs listed.

his 3.09 seconds was the third most "time to throw" defined as "the point until he attempts a throw, is sacked or scrambles past the line of scrimmage" (could be an inflated by his dancing in the pocket)

the 2.73 seconds it takes for him to attempt a pass is the 6th longest time.

the 4,63 seconds before he is sacked is the 2nd most time (granted he buys more time by dancing in the pocket and hard to decipher how much of that dancing is distracting him from finding an open target)

at 5.94 seconds Cam holds on the ball longer than anyone before deciding to scramble (except peyton who just doesent scramble past the line at all lol)

Two guys in the NFL that I have no problem with them holding the ball too long is Cam and Big Ben

It does result in sacks but also results in big plays that keep drives alive. It is give and take with guys like that.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:53 PM

It's the Barry Sanders effect, he has the most negative yards ever.  Cam can make plays, and besides, it's not like receivers are wide open and he's just neglecting to get rid of the ball. 



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:20 PM

That is such a nonsequitor. Just because he scrambled 16 times for first down out of a total of 20 per game or over 300 first downs hardly means anything about Shula. And just because he scrambled for a first down didn't mean he scored any points. The reality is that he ran for 6 TDs and some of those were scripted by Shula and some were Newton innovating.

Sure Cam was a big part of the offense but to say that those scrambles proves anything about Shula stretches the bounds of of any kind of reality. I know you want to discredit him but that argument wouldn't hold water in an elementary school debate.


And yet you still tried to refute it... Poorly.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:35 PM

Now if the Panthers can get those who get paid to run the ball to do the same and fans to demand Cam play the role of a QB more and not an RB or FB, then this team would be  a force to reckoned with.




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