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Picks traded away in the Hurney era

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wow. Impressive research.

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The question was when we last kept all our picks.

 

Based on what I found, under Marty Hurney, we never stood pat, though technically the 2002, 2004 and 2007 trades were all 'trade downs' that netted extra picks.  Closest we came to just picking our slate was 2006 when only one pick was traded away.  The 2008 draft was the one where Hurney really started getting on the wrong side of his transactions.

 

In the 2001 draft, the last before Hurney became GM, we kept all our picks and got an extra 7th rounder from the Eagles in exchange for TE Luther Broughton.

 

Of course, Hurney wasn't the only one to trade away picks.  Dom Capers infamously traded our 1st rounders from 1999 and 2000 for DT Sean Gilbert. And while Gilbert wasn't awful, he certainly wasn't worth two 1st rounders.

 

 

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yeah good stuff, a lot of those trades look like a push (equally bad for everyone).

 

That Armanti trade surely is at the top of the list of ones we'd like to have back, but the Pats even wasted the pick. I think that Ras-I dude is out of the NFL altogether. 

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Pie for the effort. Good job. Probably took you awhile.

 

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Doesn't look too bad from that research...

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Pie for the effort. Good job. Probably took you awhile.

 

Didn't take as long as you might think.

 

Perused the draft and trade history pages on Panthers.com and looked up the draft records for the traded picks.

 

 

Doesn't look too bad from that research...

 

Pre-2008, you could argue we were breaking even.

 

From 2008 forward though... :(
 

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We stand pat last season minus a third and Playoffs...

Hurney tried to outsmart the room each year and only made himself look foolish with all this dealing.. He clearly has a gambling problem.

No matter the distance from the draft...that Armanti Edwards trade is beyond awful..

At least Otah, Everette Brown, had some value pre draft...Armanti was just going to be a project to get him to AT BEST..an avg WR.

After Armanti's combine it was clear he was an outstanding athlete..at QB. Ifhe ran a 4.2 id understand it but when the move happened I thought we were getting a great player..But it was Aramanti..I facepalmed.

Although not a trade I think division 3 talent Amini over all SEC LT Cordy Glenn will haunt us if Gross retires and we do no get a LT in this draft.

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We stand pat last season minus a third and Playoffs...

Hurney tried to outsmart the room each year and only made himself look foolish with all this dealing.. He clearly has a gambling problem.

 

Last season was Gettleman, but the picks we didn't have were traded by Hurney.

 

Hurney absolutely loved to trade.  Gettleman?  Not so much.
 

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Not sure what happened to put all the slashes in the thread title.  Don't think I did that :unsure:

 

Edit: Fixed.

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Gettleman traded Beason for a pick, does anyone know what round that ended up being?

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Not going to read anything here.  Do not want to know/revisit that.  A bit painful.  I am moving forward.  Believe in the Boston Boss.

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all anyone needs to gather from this is that Hurney traded UP to get not only ArFarty Edwards, he also traded up to get Eric fugging Norwood out of the slappy ass program that is USC... fuggin overrated ass program.

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His parting gifts were Cam and Luke though so it was all worth it since these actions will bring multiple rings to CLT. Just like Jake beat us with the Browns with John missing the FG in that seemingly meaningless 2010 game allowing us to stay #1 to pick Cam. All part of a greater plan. Thanks guys.
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You could also throw the trade that didn't happen into this discussion.

 

Before he eventually fell to the Panthers at #48, Marty Hurney was calling war rooms all around the league trying like crazy to trade up for...Notre Dame Quarterback Jimmy Clausen.

 

Hurney had already traded away future first round picks each of the previous two years.  It's a safe bet the teams he was calling were asking for the same sort of deal.  Had Hurney accepted, he'd have traded away the #1 overall pick and lost us the chance to draft Cam Newton.

 

Who knows how close that deal actually came to being made? :blink:

 

Maybe it's better if we don't :unsure:

 

 

 

 

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There's also this oft-repeated story...

 

In his first Draft day presser as GM of the panthers, Dave Gettleman relayed the story that another team had called the Panthers offering them a 2nd round pick in exchange for next year's 1st rounder.  Gettleman said he didn't even bother returning the call, laughingly stating "You must be braindead to think I'm gonna take a deal like that."

 

I'm guessing no one had told him at that point that his predecessor had taken that exact deal on more than one occasion :unsure:

 

It also makes me wonder if the GM in whatever war room made that call told someone "Hey, call the Panthers and make 'em an offer.  They're suckers for deals like that."

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Thank God for G-man.

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Didn't take as long as you might think.

Perused the draft and trade history pages on Panthers.com and looked up the draft records for the traded picks.



Pre-2008, you could argue we were breaking even.

From 2008 forward though... :(


It's really when he started trading future picks that he got in trouble. Generally moving up and down in a single year isn't terrible (unless you're Mike Ditka).

I think it's there's some standard pick equivalency chart NFL teams use for trading in one year. When trading away future picks though, I guess teams discount for the future and uncertainty (not knowing exactly when the pick will be).

As many needs as we have, its too bad we can't find another GM dumb enough to take one of our picks this year for a future earlier pick.

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You could also throw the trade that didn't happen into this discussion.

Before he eventually fell to the Panthers at #48, Marty Hurney was calling war rooms all around the league trying like crazy to trade up for...Notre Dame Quarterback Jimmy Clausen.

Hurney had already traded away future first round picks each of the previous two years. It's a safe bet the teams he was calling were asking for the same sort of deal. Had Hurney accepted, he'd have traded away the #1 overall pick and lost us the chance to draft Cam Newton.

Who knows how close that deal actually came to being made? :blink:

Maybe it's better if we don't :unsure:


Yep that is some scary stuff. It's funny, every time the offense is announced during pregame at BofA and Cam runs out, I think about that "trade that never happened".

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It's really when he started trading future picks that he got in trouble. Generally moving up and down in a single year isn't terrible (unless you're Mike Ditka).

I think it's there's some standard pick equivalency chart NFL teams use for trading in one year. When trading away future picks though, I guess teams discount for the future and uncertainty (not knowing exactly when the pick will be).

As many needs as we have, its too bad we can't find another GM dumb enough to take one of our picks this year for a future earlier pick.

 

His mentor in the GM biz (legendary GM Bobby Beathard) was known for doing that late in his career.
 

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Nice work. Reading each year's trades, one word kept popping up in my head: stop.

Jesus Hurney, just stop. Let it be.

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Nice work. Reading each year's trades, one word kept popping up in my head: stop.

Jesus Hurney, just stop. Let it be.

 

Actually thought about posting trades from year one on, but decided to stick with only the Hurney era.

 

There are some humdingers in the early years too, though.  For as bad as some of Hurney's trades came out, the Gilbert trade is still arguably the worst transaction in team history.
 

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all anyone needs to gather from this is that Hurney traded UP to get not only ArFarty Edwards, he also traded up to get Eric fugging Norwood out of the slappy ass program that is USC... fuggin overrated ass program.

Yeah I was really disappointed in Eric Norwood thinkng he could be the next TD *sigh*. He was in the Heisman race for some time during his senior year but never even sniffed the NFL. 

 

I think he's in the CFL now.

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If I'm reading this correctly, Jeff Otah really, really fucked us big time. In fact, as unpopular as it may be, Stewart fucked us almost as bad, perhaps worse. We traded away valuable picks for an injury prone RT that amounted to nothing, and an injury prone RB that outside of one thousand yard season has amounted to nothing and whose albatross contract is helping to make sure we can't retain Greg Hardy or do much FA shopping.

Damn that years first round set us back something awful.

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