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Barry Switzer would 'never recruit a white quarterback'

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rodeo    13,771

The main difference between Cam and Russel is that Cam's receivers don't run back and make miracle catches when he lobs up wounded ducks on the run. Russel's do.

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TheRed    17,964

Yeah our receivers usually just stand around watching Cam run for his life.

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nickzz    1,176

hate to break it to you but Cam isnt nearly as quick and shifty as Wilson is.

 

wilson doesn't have the wiggle cam has. cam has the ability to juke a defender to his knees in the open field, wilson doesn't do that too often.

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TonyN    214

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/former-oklahoma-coach-barry-switzer-says-he-would--never-recruit-a-white-quarterback-224034052.html

 

 

To Switzer's defense the NFC was overly represented in the playoffs the last couple years with very young dual threat QBs. On the other hand the AFC, because of its lack of dual threat QBs, by default was overwhelmingly represented by the traditionals. Which begs the question, were the traditionals better or were they just, well, traditionals. Traditions do change however.

 

 

The NFC was overrepresented by teams with great defenses which drug their teams to the playoffs despite limited passing offenses.

 

Seattle finished 1st in total defense.

Carolina finished 2nd in total defense.

San Francisco finished 5th in total defense.

 

Conversely:

 

Seattle finished 26th in passing.

Carolina finished 29th in passing.

San Francisco finished 30th in passing.

 

But I suppose, by your ludicrous reasoning, these teams made the playoffs primarily because of the talents of their QB's.

 

Here is a better question:

 

Would Denver, which finished 19th in total defense, have made the playoffs with either Kapernick or Wilson  at QB???

 

Maybe. But until one of them takes his team to the playoffs without a great defense, it is an open question.

 

After all Kaepernick has never passed for 3200 yards in a season.

Wilson has never passed for 3400 yards in a season.

 

Can you win consistently in the NFL without a great defense with those kinds of numbers???

 

I suppose your real point must be something along these lines: If Seattle and Denver traded QB's, then Denver would suddenly be better than Seattle because Wilson is better than Manning. Ludicrous? Yes.

 

Incidentally, my take on the ceiling for white quarterbacks is, oh,  somewhere around the Joe Montana level.

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Evengelion    248

No they do not

They went through some injuries throughout the year but when their starting LT is healthy they have a better OL than us. It's hard to compare the performance of OLs that protect mobile QBs.

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Evengelion    248

The NFC was overrepresented by teams with great defenses which drug their teams to the playoffs despite limited passing offenses.

 

Seattle finished 1st in total defense.

Carolina finished 2nd in total defense.

San Francisco finished 5th in total defense.

 

Conversely:

 

Seattle finished 26th in passing.

Carolina finished 29th in passing.

San Francisco finished 30th in passing.

 

But I suppose, by your ludicrous reasoning, these teams made the playoffs primarily because of the talents of their QB's.

 

Here is a better question:

 

Would Denver, which finished 19th in total defense, have made the playoffs with either Kapernick or Wilson  at QB???

 

Maybe. But until one of them takes his team to the playoffs without a great defense, it is an open question.

 

After all Kaepernick has never passed for 3200 yards in a season.

Wilson has never passed for 3400 yards in a season.

 

Can you win consistently in the NFL without a great defense with those kinds of numbers???

 

I suppose your real point must be something along these lines: If Seattle and Denver traded QB's, then Denver would suddenly be better than Seattle because Wilson is better than Manning. Ludicrous? Yes.

 

Incidentally, my take on the ceiling for white quarterbacks is, oh,  somewhere around the Joe Montana level.

 

Seattle's offense did put up 35 (44-9=35) points in the SB. Seattle's offense is no slouch. They went through injury period throughout the year but when they're healthy, which they were in the SB, they'll put up 50, easy. Yes, Wilson only threw for 3400, how many did he rush for? I'm sure you know rushing yards move the chain too. How many time Peyton throws a 4 yard slant that goes for 50? A lot. And it counts as a 50 yards completion. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

 

Tom Br4dy made his reputation winning SBs with great D. Unless it only counts when white QBs do it, right? What about Eli's 2 SBs? No, SBs ever won where the defense didn't stop the other team. Now you want to put a face to the defense. I thought it used to be QB X 'win SB'. Now it's 'Russell Wilson with great D win SB'. How hypocritical.

 

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Evengelion    248

I mean it wouldn't hurt if he was more mobile and they may have made a few more plays if he could have avoided a sack, but there's only so much getting open you can do without sending guys further downfield (and actually targeting them, not just having them run decoy routes). I don't remember seeing the Broncos attempt a single deep pass all game. Maybe I'm forgetting one or two but generally they just ran the same short crossing routes again and again. Denver's WRs made great plays after the catch for most of the season (which is where the physical talent comes in), but Seattle's defense did a great job of wrapping them up and tackling them immediately after the catch.

I think Peyton was sacked maybe once in the game. The threat of the rush and the prospect of getting hit intimidate him because he's not used to it. If he were able to evade the rush Seattles' secondary wouldn't be able to cover their receivers for too long. The fact that they didn't have to worry about Peyton's leg made it easier to play coverage. Seattle's toughest opponents the last couple of years have been with teams with mobile QBs. It's no coincidence. I remember Justin Tuck saying himself how much easier it is playing against Drew Brees than RG3. If the mobile QBs couldn't throw the football I would agree pocket QBs are better. But when the mobile QBs are just as accurate we all need to admit the obvious instead of waiting 5-10 years from now to do so. I do understand that because there is the semblance of a racial component to it many get into their protective pasture, but no one is arguing there can't be white dual threat QBs here. Mobile QBs are young and unestablished, and there will be many faces to them in the coming future.

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The NFC was overrepresented by teams with great defenses which drug their teams to the playoffs despite limited passing offenses.

 

Seattle finished 1st in total defense.

Carolina finished 2nd in total defense.

San Francisco finished 5th in total defense.

 

Conversely:

 

Seattle finished 26th in passing.

Carolina finished 29th in passing.

San Francisco finished 30th in passing.

 

But I suppose, by your ludicrous reasoning, these teams made the playoffs primarily because of the talents of their QB's.

 

Here is a better question:

 

Would Denver, which finished 19th in total defense, have made the playoffs with either Kapernick or Wilson  at QB???

 

Maybe. But until one of them takes his team to the playoffs without a great defense, it is an open question.

 

After all Kaepernick has never passed for 3200 yards in a season.

Wilson has never passed for 3400 yards in a season.

 

Can you win consistently in the NFL without a great defense with those kinds of numbers???

 

I suppose your real point must be something along these lines: If Seattle and Denver traded QB's, then Denver would suddenly be better than Seattle because Wilson is better than Manning. Ludicrous? Yes.

 

Incidentally, my take on the ceiling for white quarterbacks is, oh,  somewhere around the Joe Montana level.

 

by the year 2017.... the new standard of quarterbacking will be 4,000/500.... not 5,000

 

qb's who can rush for 500 yards while posting 100 passer ratings... Rg3 and Wilson have already done it.... Cam, and Kapernick have that potential

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The_Mango55    664

He didn't mean he would never recruit a white quarterback, he would if both of his parents were black. It has nothing to do with race.

 

 

this is my favorite thread

 

So if he were a white guy adopted by a black family, Switzer would recruit him?

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