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#181 AceBoogie

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:44 AM

I hear you, we'll see in May. I would be SHOCKED if one of the first 2 picks wasn't a receiver (or te) but who knows how the draft will fall.


I would feel a lot better if we weren't picking at 28. There are a lot of things that can before us, as well as teams trading back into the first round.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:51 AM

I would feel a lot better if we weren't picking at 28. There are a lot of things that can before us, as well as teams trading back into the first round.

 

There's also a lot of receivers.  I think the tendency here is to look at the draft order and panic because we envision EVERY team who could conceivably use a WR drafting one in the first round in some sort of mass conspiracy against the Panthers.  I think the reality is closer to everyone knowing WR is deep and several teams waiting on WR in favor of other positions.  

 

 



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:53 AM

Sometimes, with a guy like Avant or Cotchery an opportunity is all they need to shine. The NFL is a crowded place for players. I'm certain that there have been plenty of players that could have developed into starters if given a fair chance. Many a depth chart has made that virtually impossible for guys under contract. I really like what I hear about both of them, and I wouldn't be shocked if they turn out to be more valuable than they are currently getting credit for.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:03 AM

the people mad at our WR situation, and complaining that we are signing a bunch of WR-3 dont realize what we had last year on the roster in terms of WR

 

last year:

(Olsen - true #1)

Smith - #2 receiver masquerading as #1.  maybe even a #3 for the upcoming season

Lafell - #3 (maybe 4) receiver forced  to play as #2

Ginn - #3 receiver

Hixon - #4/5 receiver (only had 7 receptions last year)

Pilares/kKng/Mcnutt - backups (or IR)

 

this year:

(Olsen - #1, though ideally suited to be a #2)

Crotchery - #2 receiver

Avant - #3 receiver (assuming we sign him)

Underwood - # 4/5 receiver

Pilares/King/Mcnutt - as of now still backups

draftee????

 

so its not like we are replacing 1s and 2s with 3s and 4s.  We are replacing 2, 3 and 4s with 2, 3 and 4s and saving a lot of money by not resiging the same guys (yah we will have to wait until next year to see the real savings from smith)

 

of course we will get at least one receiver and likely a te in the draft, plus extra time for the pilares/king types to develop



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:08 AM

the people mad at our WR situation, and complaining that we are signing a bunch of WR-3 dont realize what we had last year on the roster in terms of WR

 

last year:

(Olsen - true #1)

Smith - #2 receiver masquerading as #1.  maybe even a #3 for the upcoming season

Lafell - #3 (maybe 4) receiver forced  to play as #2

Ginn - #3 receiver

Hixon - #4/5 receiver (only had 7 receptions last year)

Pilares/kKng/Mcnutt - backups (or IR)

 

this year:

(Olsen - #1, though ideally suited to be a #2)

Crotchery - #2 receiver

Avant - #3 receiver (assuming we sign him)

Underwood - # 4/5 receiver

Pilares/King/Mcnutt - as of now still backups

draftee????

 

so its not like we are replacing 1s and 2s with 3s and 4s.  We are replacing 2, 3 and 4s with 2, 3 and 4s and saving a lot of money by not resiging the same guys (yah we will have to wait until next year to see the real savings from smith)

 

of course we will get at least one receiver and likely a te in the draft, plus extra time for the pilares/king types to develop

 

This is mostly true (none of the new guys are as good as an old Steve Smith though) but the problem isn't replacing the old guys it's that the Panthers need to be BETTER than last year and right now some people see that as unlikely.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:14 AM

I also read where his former coach Andy Reid is interested so this is not a done deal. 

 

 



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:18 AM

I think it's Chandler.

 

I like Chandler but I prefer him to be a backup due to his versatility. I believe we are gonna be able to pick up a top talent OT in the draft and he wins it out in the off-season program.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:19 AM

I don't see how anyone could be against signing Avant. He is one of the most reliable possession receivers, and will likely come for veteran minimum. Absolutely no downside, and he'll bring great leadership and lockerroom personality.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:21 AM

This is mostly true (none of the new guys are as good as an old Steve Smith though) but the problem isn't replacing the old guys it's that the Panthers need to be BETTER than last year and right now some people see that as unlikely.

 

crotchery was objctively better than Smith by some measures last year, but overall was a VERY similar level player.  Plus he is 4 years younger, thus its not outrageous to expect Crotchery to be better than smith in the upcoming season

 

Avant was overall very similar to lafell.  They look even more similar overall if you look at Avant's previous 3-4 seasons before Kelly arrive.  Both are very average, though useful, players. 

 

Ginn was/is better than underwood + ginn is a top notch KR.  that said, underwood can play that role.

 

+ Fun new draft picks to play with.  yay



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:23 AM

I don't see how anyone could be against signing Avant. He is one of the most reliable possession receivers, and will likely come for veteran minimum. Absolutely no downside, and he'll bring great leadership and lockerroom personality.

 

It's just a cue for the crowd that complains about the same thing anytime the receiver situation comes up in any capacity.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:25 AM

I'm sorry, I thought we were trying to win football games.

 

 

how is extending Avant an invite to visit NOT trying to win football games?



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:35 AM

Sometimes, with a guy like Avant or Cotchery an opportunity is all they need to shine. The NFL is a crowded place for players. I'm certain that there have been plenty of players that could have developed into starters if given a fair chance. Many a depth chart has made that virtually impossible for guys under contract. I really like what I hear about both of them, and I wouldn't be shocked if they turn out to be more valuable than they are currently getting credit for.


Exactly. That's why I think we only draft one wr within the first 3 rounds. Not enough room if they truly want to give mcnutt and king a shot.


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