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#2743586 2014 Draft | Core Players

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 19 April 2014 - 12:27 AM

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I consider Kalil a core player as well along with many of the others mentioned above.

I was just including J.J. because he may not play many snaps but the ones he does play are vitally important.

An inconsistant long snapper can lose a game all by himself.

(I suppose I am kinda dumb though)


Agreed that he could lose the game all by himself.  No doubt.  We have been fortunate to have a couple good long snappers in our history.  But honestly, how many games a year does the long snapper actually cost someone a game.  Most of these guys are good and quite accurate.


Your core players are the players you can't live without.   As much as we don't want to we could find a replacement for JJ.

#2741981 SB Nation Bloggers Draft

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 17 April 2014 - 06:25 AM

Not to add any gas to the fire. But, didn't Dr. Andrews say his knee was fine? If so, he could be a cornerstone for some team for a good long while. Still don't want to have to pick him. Would prefer he be gone, so I don't have to worry we take him, and his knees don't hold up.

Eerily familiar to the Star saga of last year. Top talent misdiagnosed at combine, later cleared, falls to us. In years past I'd say, no fugging way. Nowadays, the way things seem to be working in our favor. I say, why not?

Why not get that franchise LT in the 1st? Why not get that #1WR of the future in the 2nd? Why not get 4 starterz or top rotational type kids from this draft? Why not us now? We have a football guy in charge. A talent evaluator to boot. If he can maintain the success he has generated to date? We are in good hands.

The future is bright. And GOOOOOOOOOO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I agree about getting a LT in the 1st round.  I just don't think it is a good idea to get Cyrus.


Star was misdiagnosed.  Cyrus has knee issues.  Though the doctor cleared him it doesn't make the knee issue go away.


Cyrus reminds me more of Otah than Gross.

#2741966 SB Nation Bloggers Draft

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 17 April 2014 - 03:51 AM

Still think we should take Cyrus in the first, then come back and grab Cody Latimer in the second and Robert Herron in the 3rd.  Both are excellent receivers.  Just not sold on Lee. 


What is the love affair with Cyrus?  Bad knees and arthritis as well.  Well at least if we draft him I am sure Otah's old bike will still be there for him to use for 4 years.

#2741955 2014 Draft | Core Players

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 17 April 2014 - 03:27 AM

I mean Saturday was good, but having Peyton Manning as a QB with such a quick release couldn't hurt. I like Kalil, however with his future cap hit I just don't see him staying with out a pay cut. Just good business Kalil is not part of the future plans.


Says who?  The guy well be 30 yrs old when his contract is up.   While I don't see him getting the big money at center for a second time, I do see us keeping him for an additional 3 or 4 years.


This isn't always about money.    If you base everything on the money you will never get anywhere.  You have to be smart and know who to pay and who not to pay.  Gettleman knows the importance of Kalil and will do everything possible to keep him.

#2740686 2014 Draft | Core Players

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 16 April 2014 - 03:34 AM


In my opinion those are the 5 most important positions in order. Kalil is a top 5 Center but that isn't as key a position as others. Plus he's right at 30 years old & has a very big cap number. He will likely be a casualty in 2-3 years unless he takes a big pay cut. Especially if Silatolu & Kugbilla pan out & the tackle positions have been solidified.

Dave doesn't play games. The days of great Panthers playing into their twilight while making big money are gone. Better get used to rooting for the team & not individual players.


Just turned 29. 


Just like baseball   Up the middle is highly important.   Give Cam a crappy center or even a adequate center the Offense Fails.  Kalil is arguably the best center in the game.  EVEN at 29.  Jeff Saturday played at a Pro Bowl level until he was 36. 


The argument is whether he will be a cap casualty next year.  NOT A CHANCE.  We'll do everything we can to keep him beyond that time period too.  Whether we make him the top center again, I highly doubt it.   But Kalil will retire as a Panther.  PERIOD

#2740656 2014 Draft | Core Players

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 16 April 2014 - 01:33 AM

Cam Newton
Luke Kuechly
Greg Hardy
Star Lotulelei

That is the core. Ideally they'd like to add a LT to that list. Everyone else is expendable.


Really?  You wouldn't consider Kalil as a core player?

#2740632 ESPN's Newton Revisits Bell Topic: Avoid if you don't want more (Cow...

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 16 April 2014 - 12:19 AM

I would throw G in that statement and feel comfortable that I have done the right thing. 


Who is our RG now?  At least we know Bell is King of the LT hill in April, but RG?  Scott?  Williams?  Bond?  Kugbila?  Chandler?


Matsko has his work cut out for him. 


Let the battle begin.   What I find interesting is these guys know this.  Hopefully they are working on being the best and come into camp ready and fit to take is spot.

#2739702 Army Vet gets one last shot at NFL

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 15 April 2014 - 06:49 AM

The video he seems to be a bit sluggish but he was a Ranger and you can be he can be tough and mean. 


At 6' 9" you never know.  if he doesn't make it he'll be back in Afghanistan again.  Crazy place that is for sure. 


(Was there from 2010-2013 as an Army Subcontractor)

#2737886 Panthers meeting with...a center from USC

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 13 April 2014 - 12:32 AM

Kalil's cap hit next year is 11.8 M I'm pretty sure.


Not many C's are paid that well, and DG may be looking to move on.


Not a chance in hell.  


Kalil isn't going anywhere.  He is as important as a LT.  You have to have a smart man under center to make all those calls and still protect HIS QB. 


Cut Smitty, Let Gross retire, don't sign Ginn or Mitchell I was pissed but understood.   Let Kalil walk I would be furious at Gettleman.


You just don't let a quality center like that walk.  Take a look at how long former Tarheel Jeff Saturday was with Peyton Manning.


Kalil may one day be a HOFer.

#2737167 Kevin Weidl from ESPN on Morgan Moses

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 12 April 2014 - 08:23 AM

I want WR so bad, but in my brain and heart, OT OT OT.... I think you are right. 


This article hits on the depth of the draft at WR:




You get a big boy that gives Cam more time to throw.  Those second and third round guys turn into 1st round guys.

#2737065 Nfl dumb asses say Tampa will win the division bc of their superior defense

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 12 April 2014 - 01:58 AM

Anyone that picks a team to win a division less than one month into free agency and before the draft is an idiot.   How about waiting until at least beginning of training camp.

#2731126 Panthers Sign Avant to 1 Year Deal

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 08 April 2014 - 01:43 AM

There isn't a soul in the forum that has a feel for what this team has in the locker room like D. Gettleman and staff.  Other than Cam, Kuechly, Kalil and a few others every position will be a battle in 2014. Specifically WR. You have your draft guides from 2006 till now sitting in front of you.  You have your online stats and you have your know it all outlook but none of us has a true feel for what we have on our 2014 WR group.


We all speculate. Just depends on whether your an optimist or a pessimist. 


This group of receivers has some speed, some great hands and some leadership.  What we don't have is a lot of game time yardage from many of them.  Every great WR had to eventually get their first reception in a career.  Why can't these young players get theirs here.


My Take,.... It is a good signing.  Another Veteran who can help.  A veteran that can get open and make that critical catch when we need it.  If we have 5 receivers with 550 yds a piece that's all good to me. Throw in Olsen's 8-900 yds per season and another 4 or 500 from the backs.  Your QB is over 4000 yds.   I would be happy with it. 


I think we draft a WR before the end of the second day.  I outside a CB and WR we are going to saturate the draft with the BIG BOYS.   I also think we will add a couple UDFA that might stick.


When the season starts in 5 1/2 months we will have a solid team ready to defend our crown. 

#2725438 Intent of the LT position

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 03 April 2014 - 02:37 AM

I really like Chandler and it would be a welcome surprise for him to step into the role.  What I do like about him moving into the LT spot is.  He already knows the speed of the game.  He knows what to expect.  As opposed to a rookie coming in.  Every year the quote of all rookies is.... "The speed of the game is much faster"   So what advantage we gain in a rookie we already have in a veteran like Chandler.  


This is not saying Chandler will be our L or RT but it also implies that the rookie (whovever he may be) isn't going to be handed the job either.

#2721297 1st round CB

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 30 March 2014 - 08:45 AM

I don't think our system calls for 1st round CBs.


Shame on us if we pass on a solid CB in the first round because "our system doesn't call for a 1st round CB".


Why reach on a player that isn't a 1st round caliber OT or WR?   

#2721201 Panthers strengths and needs

Posted by DaveThePanther2008 on 30 March 2014 - 12:14 AM

Obvious weaknesses.  OT and WR.


I have no doubt that we will address these positions in the draft.  However, unless they are round one or two it doesn't necessarily mean they'll start.  Gettleman has been stashing players since before the end of last season.   Players with huge upsides.  WR and OL.


What I believe we are going to see is an all out war at OT (right and Left) and at WR.   We are going to have some talented players fighting for those 10 spots on the roster. (5 OT and 5 WR)   I think Gettleman is going to Saturate Training Camp with the best players he can find at these positions and leave it to the best man (men) standing.


My curiosity is.... Who that group will consist of   Britt and Rice to be included?  Maybe another OL like Cole was.  Someone trying to resurrect a career.    Those of you that don't trust Gettleman well by some Grecian Formula 16 because you are going to have a lot of grey hair by the time Training Camp arrives.   Those that believe in Gettleman (including myself)  It is going to be fun watching him form these groups of players to fight for these positions.


Go Panthers

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