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#1475639 Smitty Disses John Fox

Posted by fieryprophet on 21 October 2011 - 12:27 PM


#1473098 Drew Brees Impressed With Cam

Posted by fieryprophet on 19 October 2011 - 07:45 PM

This was an interview done after week six.


#1471682 AccuScore picks us to beat Washington

Posted by fieryprophet on 19 October 2011 - 09:16 AM

Hi there,

aren't they starting Beck? I know Shanahan said he would evaluate and announce today, I believe; but, I just cannot believe Shanny would not start Beck after Grossman's performances.

Again, my deal is, Redskins can do the same thing the Bears did and Panthers can't stop them. Really sad.

I hope the Redskins play just like the Bears did. You know why? The 'Skins don't have Devin freaking Hester, so we can actually win this time around.

#1466795 Why I'm Glad Fans Have No Say In the FO

Posted by fieryprophet on 16 October 2011 - 11:54 PM

Ahh yes. Yet another thread complaining about those that complain. Seriously didn't read. I always hate those that pull the "glad you're not a coach" or "glad the fo doesn't listen to you" card or whatever bullsh** along those lines. Its a pathetic and weak arguement. Message boards exist for people to express their opinions. Im tired of the White Knights who think they are superior above everyone else with an opinion. If you have an issue with those that express their concern then leave or dont read. It's that simple. Yes there are some dumb threads out there but I don't even open them.

You know why you hate those kinds of posts? Because you don't want to put in the effort to discount anything they say, just return to complaints that get blown out of the water by people who observe more in a single play than most fans see in an entire game.

I'm not saying to not express your opinion. But if you don't put any logical statements out there to back it up don't be mad when you're called out.

So, if it's a pathetic and weak argument. . .are you going to enlighten us as to why?

#1466692 do you think newton has improved over the course of this season?

Posted by fieryprophet on 16 October 2011 - 10:47 PM

Yes, and I'll give you a reasoned response on how and why he has improved from game to game:

1.) Posted this elsewhere, but his decision making has drastically improved. People will look at the three INTs today and think "oh man, he did worse than his Green Bay game, same INTs with less yards" and expose themselves for the surface-reading niiwits they are. His only truly bad INT today was the short screen that the DL made a great play on to snag. The first was a fluke tip that would have been a great TD, and the third was a hail mary-esque throw to end the game. In between, he was killing it on a lot of third down conversions, didn't throw too many high balls (which has been his Achilles in the past) and took what the defense gave him down low instead of forcing into coverage deep. The lower yardage totals of late have been because we've played less explosive teams of late, so he hasn't had as many possessions, and today was a perfect example of this, because both teams had very long, time-consuming drives all day. You can't throw for 400 yards with only six or seven possessions.

2.) He's utilizing his running ability more. This may sound like a bad thing considering the "scrambling" rep people tried to tag him with, but the reality is that he is a pocket passer with a unique skillset, and he extended a couple of drivers today and that great TD with that skillset. A couple of times in the Arizona and Green Bay games I saw open lanes that could have moved the chains, but he held off trying to stay in the pocket instead. Take what the defense gives you.

3.) He's shown an ability to adapt to different coverages as games go on. Atlanta really didn't have a solution for him today other than bring more pressure as the game went on, and frankly the blocking failed here more than Cam being rattled. The plays were being blown up from the start, and that's on the offensive line. I actually think the o-line might have been a little gassed in the 4th, because we had opened a huge time of possession edge for the first time this season.

#1466528 Why I'm Glad Fans Have No Say In the FO

Posted by fieryprophet on 16 October 2011 - 09:53 PM

1.) Because a lot of you are absolutely moronic football evaluators. Seriously, I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some swimming squad out there called the Carolina Wet Panthers that a bunch of you confuse for the football team, because the only way a lot of these rants would make sense is for the posters to be watching another sport entirely.

You can't fix a defense with trades in midseason. The vast majority of the time, you can't even marginally improve a defense via trade midseason. Why? Because no team with a player with a modicum of talent is looking to deal said talent unless the player is unworthy of their contract or injured. There are no stud defensive tackles just sitting on some team's bench. We're not going to sign a game-changing cornerback off of waivers. Teams that suck bad enough to want to deal players are only going to look to shed expensive, over the hill veterans, and are more interested in getting high draft picks than acquiring players from losing squads.

So stop with the whining about trades: it shows your utter incomprehension of the way the NFL operates and just makes you look like the idiot you are.

2.) Sports involves tremendous amounts of luck. Many times, the better and more talented team loses, particularly in the "any given Sunday" NFL. The 2007 Patriots were a better team, hands down, than the 2007 NY Giants, and had the late season win to prove it. If they had played a seven game series, the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl going away. But in a single game, all bets are off, no matter who the opponents are, because of the element of luck (the Giants luck, in this case, was having smashed the Patriots in the mouth enough to take them entirely out of their gameplan. In a multiple game series, they would have been solved.)

Averaged over a season, the "50/50" plays tend to even out and delineate the truly talented teams from the posers, but it is very easy to be burned in a single game like the Panthers were today. If Cam's endzone pass hadn't gotten an unlucky tip, we would have led going into halftime. If his screen pass would have been a little higher, Atlanta wouldn't have had a red zone chance handed to them. **** happens, but making assessments about the capabilities of the coach or the front office based on random bounces of the ball is both ignorant and childish.

3.) One player doesn't turn a 2-14 team into an immediate contender. No offense to Cam, who continues to be an extremely bright prospect for us at QB, but this is the NFL, not the NBA. He does't play offense and defense. He doesn't block for punts. He has solved one of biggest problems this team has had at the most pivotal position, and shown that we still have a lot of good pieces on our offense to work with, but our defense is not talented enough to thrive without Beason, Davis, and a veteran presence at DT. And blaming the FO for not having depth behind those players is again, moronic, because NO TEAM has depth of any kind behind their starters if their starters are more than marginal talents. There's simply not enough talent to go around in the league, and quality players either get a place in the starting lineup or are shipped off for picks to fill other holes on the team (and every team has holes.)

It's easy to criticize front offices and GMs, and imagine that coaches are not doing enough with the talent they have, but the NFL is by far the most parity-driven league on the planet. For fug's sake, the Green Bay Packers are the best team in the NFL, and they play in the smallest market in all of pro sports. Most teams that win the Super Bowl do so despite their flaws, not because they have an overwhelming collection of talent. Coaches and GMs spend every offseason trying to fill the holes in their teams, while retaining the quality players they have at reasonable prices, and pray that they can fill those holes before their "strengths" fall apart to injuries or decline. I fully trust that Hurney and Rivera will build this team into a contender, and than it's on the players to perform, but for now I recognize that it's a growth process because we are missing pieces that can't be magically fixed overnight.

By the way, for everyone slamming Hurney, imbibe this particular factoid:

The New England Patriots (long considered one of the best drafting teams in the NFL) have only three players left of the 26 from their 2006-2008 drafts, and not a single one from their 2007 draft. Their defense is also about as bad as ours now, but they have one of the greatest QBs in his prime plus a shoddy schedule to make up for it.

The Panthers? Ten, including four in a row from 2008.

4.) Finally, the number one reason I am glad the lot of you have no say in the front office is because some of you take a ridiculous short-term view of the team and it's future. I think Rivera has been an outstanding coach, despite some questionable calls that show he is a rookie as well, because of a few brilliant decisions he has made:

A.) He started Cam as a full-throttle QB, not a game manager. Ron recognized that this is a passing league built around the quarterback position, and that the best way to get Cam acclimated to the demands of the position was to have him start out running a full show. There will be growing pains like today, and it is a lot of pressure for a rookie, but the rewards of going this route will put Cam far, far ahead of not just other rookies, but even most veteran QBs. Cam's decision making has accelerated so much over the last few weeks, that in today's game I can honestly say he only made one or two really "bad" throws (the short screen INT, and maybe the one to Shockey near the end that hit off a defender's hand.) His first INT was a fluke tip that would have been a beautiful TD otherwise, and the third was the meaningless one at the end. By my count, this was his fewest "bad" throw game of the year, and many of them were fantastic.

B.) Ron will not coddle his players. He'll punt to Hester and expect his punt team to contain him, and punish those who fail to do their jobs (bye, Considine.) He will let the rookie DTs take their lumps and expect them to grow into their roles. He'll put the onus on Cam to make good decisions and make high-risk/high-reward plays. This is where teams learn how to win, rather than how to "not lose." It sucks when they fail at it, but if they meet the expectations being made of them, they will be far better prepared for succeeding over a long period of time rather than hoping a million 50/50 plays break their way before ultimately being exposed as a fraud contender.

This team will improve. This team will take some lumps. This team will lose, sometimes big. This team WILL WIN, and when it learns how to win, it will do so convincingly, repeatedly, and will contend for a very long time.

#1465114 Preemptive Rational Assessment Thread

Posted by fieryprophet on 16 October 2011 - 03:16 PM

1.) Cam did not play as poorly as the stats will suggest. Both INTs were of the fluky variety (although he should have probably laid off the blown up screen.)
They responded with pressure and it finally derailed the offense, that's football.

2.) Rivera can't make magic out of the players on hand. The defense is bad, which has been obvious for a long time. Last team's defense wasn't really better, they just didn't have to respond to scores since the offense never scored. There's no magic fix except to develop the players we have and draft for improvement. Give it time.

3.) As much as it sucks to lose, is is excruciatingly important in a long-term sense to see how Cam responds to this loss. He finally got punched in the mouth for the first time, and can clearly see where he put the team in bad places. As much as I have loved his competitive fire, one thing that needs to come with time is the ability to lead through losing, and although that may take time, he gets to demonstrate his willingness to be that kind of leader starting today.

4.) Losing sucks, but keep in mind the long-term, and keep your head up every week. This team will win games, and the last thing any intelligent person does is assume all the problems that developed in one game can be fixed by trading away everyone, firing coaches, or generally being a stupid bandwagon fan.

Congrats to the Falcons, looking forward to beating you next time.

Rational responses only.

#1461750 This may be old, but it's fascinating. . .

Posted by fieryprophet on 15 October 2011 - 01:33 AM

Before the draft, the Orlando Sun Sentinel did a full draft breakdown on Cam in hopes that the Dolphins would make a move to draft him.


Here are some highlights:

His ability to block out bad plays

He wears rubber bands on his wrist to remind him to forget the last play and focus in on the next one. Any time he throws an incomplete pass or a play doesn't turn out quite the way he anticipated, he pops those rubber bands on his wrist. That little pop snaps him back into reality, letting him know that the only thing he can control is his demeanour for the next play. I like that. I like the fact that he wants to improve and won’t let anything get on top of him.

Coming out of high school, he was criticized for being a pocket passer!

The reality is that when Cam Newton was being recruited out of Westlake High School, he had to dispel scouts of the complete opposite notion, that he was just a pure pocket passer that didn’t use his feet to hurt teams. Here is a quote dated March 22nd, 2006 in a report about Newton’s recruiting prospects:

Some have labeled Newton as a pure pocket passer but he is quick to discard that assessment. “I used to just sit back in the pocket but now with defensive ends running 4.6 forty’s you have to be able to move around and make plays with your feet," he said. “Now, I consider myself a guy who can run and pass. I really like to sit back and throw the ball but if you give me some space I’ll tuck it and run.”

He has 6% body fat, and dropped his 40 yd time from 4.8 to 4.5

Newton, a 6-5, 220-pounder out of Atlanta (Ga.) Westlake, surprised nearly everyone in attendance when he posted a 4.51 in the 40-yard dash.

Everyone was well aware that he had a big league arm that could make all of the throws, but bringing his speed down from a 4.8 to a 4.5 makes him all the more dangerous when things break down in the pocket.

I just cannot get over the fact that we have a once-in-a-generation type talent at the most important position of our Carolina Panthers.

#1460524 We're Getting Picked

Posted by fieryprophet on 14 October 2011 - 11:11 AM

I care about our guys playing well, playing hard and showing the league that these aren't the same ol' Carolina Panthers.

Wins show that better than anything else. Just sayin'.

35-17 Panthers > Atlanta

#1453761 Another Week, Another Rookie of the Week Nom for Cam

Posted by fieryprophet on 11 October 2011 - 12:21 AM

oh good the sierra mist rookie of the week award that means absolutely nothing because 90% of the votes are from dumbasses that just refresh the page sixty times and vote for their guy.

And despite that Cam still won last week, which should tell you that he's bringing positive attention to our franchise, which will in turn lead to more exposure and interest nationally, which will increase revenues and help the team afford more players and stadium upgrades, and will also allow schedulers to give us more nationally televised games and media coverage, which will all help make our team become one of the elite teams with a national fanbase.

Or you can whine about a modicum of recognition for one of our newest and most promising young players.

#1450917 A closer look at the Smitty scuffle (Video)

Posted by fieryprophet on 10 October 2011 - 12:56 AM

Yeah, because trying to break someone's neck (who didn't even hit you, or do anything) is "cool". He should have been ejected from the game for that stunt. If he was mad about what Harper did, then he should have got in his face, instead of picking on the smallest person on the Saints D.

Jenkins shouldn't have been there. Why the fug were any of the Saints there? Steve walked away from Harper, that should have been the end of it. So fug the Saints and their make-believe tough bullpoo, they'll get cracked in the fugging face next time too.

#1450783 Something I've Noticed About Our Team

Posted by fieryprophet on 09 October 2011 - 11:35 PM

There's a lot of frustration and downright anger about the current trend of close losses, starting with Newton, Smitty, Shockey and all the way down to Rivera. As toxic of a potential mix that these feelings can engender, I have a feeling that in the end these emotions will be channeled in the right way. Cam is learning very early on just how excruciatingly hard it is to win in this league, and as long as he responds to these losses with the desire to work harder and improve on his already impressive skills, things will not only look up in the future, but will translate into the cutthroat sensibility a team needs to dominate in this league.

Rivera has said repeatedly that he views the team as the little brother that always gets beat up, but will soon grow up to punch back, and reiterated that view with his comments that the team will move on but not forget these losses. He also spoke of how proud he was that the team rallied around Smith after the cheap shot from Harper, and frankly said that we will not tolerate that kind of disrespect from our opponents.
In other words, when the pieces come together, you can look for this team to be absolutely ruthless, running up the score and imposing our will on our division, and playing with a massive chip on our shoulders.

Frankly, I think the rest of the league is already starting to get the message: enjoy your wins while they last. We're young. We're growing up fast. We're looking forward to ripping your heads off.

Oh, and Saints fans: enjoy Brees while he lasts. You have squat behind him, and it's a hard fall without a great QB at the helm. I think, deep down, you guys know what's coming down the pipeline ;)

#1450504 A thing of beauty - Option Play (Video)

Posted by fieryprophet on 09 October 2011 - 09:48 PM

No one going to mention Naanee's excellent blocking on that play? He might not need to be the #2 receiver but he's making plays elsewhere.

#1441961 Cam Newton and Ron Rivera Transcripts

Posted by fieryprophet on 05 October 2011 - 02:21 PM

Great stuff in both.

Cam Newton:


Have you surprised yourself with the transition?

"If you write a good article, do your surprise yourself?"


Ron Rivera:


#1440690 Cam's Been Even Better Than His Stats

Posted by fieryprophet on 04 October 2011 - 08:49 PM

wow you really pulled out all the stops in that effort OP.

"here's a link and a sentence thanks guys"

What the heck am I supposed to say? I didn't write the article.

I figured, this being a Carolina Panther fan board, people would like to read a breakdown of how our new quarterback is far ahead of the typical rookie path.

If you want a buttload of commentary from me find my thread on preparation.

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