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#3005824 Does Hardy come back after 6 games?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 02:05 PM

off field issues can upset sponsors and that can mean less money. they have to factor that i to the equation. they also have to factor in the effect certain players have on the atmosphere in the lockerroom (which can effect wins and losses) and also their financial investment in players and what they do off field can have a negative effect on that investment. anytime off field activities effects a players ability to perform on the field (which effects the wins and losses), it effects their investment. they don't have to put a protective bubble over their players, but it is reasonable that they draw a line as to what is acceptable. if they feel like his off field life will effect his ability to perform, then they have to question whether or not the investment in them is worth it.

right now, you can make a solid argument that our investment in him this year was not worthwhile because things going on in his life interfered. even if he didn't assault that girl and it was just an accusation made by some crazy drugged out woman, you have to question his judgement in those he chooses to be with and the effect it can have on him. that's not to say he can't be friends or relations with whoever he wants, but it has to be realized that he wouldn't be in this situation were it not for his relationship with her and his activites outside the stadium. if he doesn't change his circle of people, or at least some of them, you have to wonder if there might be other incidents he gets stuck in the middle of might effect his ability to perform.


The panthers are worth a billion dollars. The nfl is worth billions of dollars. Sponsors won't pull regardless. To much money for them at stake and they know if they drop there will be a line forming from our companies to take their place not one second after it happens. Which brings it back to football and wins. Hardy helps us win.


#3005778 Does Hardy come back after 6 games?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 01:40 PM

it's the degree of the headache that is speculative. they, as an organization have to have some standards for themselves beyond performance. as a fan (short for fanatic) you/we may not agree, but that's probably because we are not looking at it from any other perspective than the wins and losses at the end of the season. from an organizational standpoint they have to look at a much bigger picture than we tend to do and act/base decisions on more information than we have.

basically our bottom line is not theirs nor is our rationale for decision making thiers.


Their bottom line is wins. Listen to any coach gm or owner and that's what they will tell you.

Football decisions. Wins on the field. That's what matters to them. More wins means more money.


#3005758 AJ Green leaves practice on cart

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 01:32 PM

"If you think the win is the same without him in the line up then you wished this injury on him and you are no better than a saints fan. You are scum"

Smh


#3005661 AJ Green leaves practice on cart

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 01:02 PM

I don't honestly care what their fans think.

You want to say you're the best team? Earn it by beating the best. If you can't, then you're not.


BS.

Would rather have a W without facing green than a L with him in the line up. All that matters is making it to February. Beating teams in the regular season means nothing if you don't win it all. Means to an end.


#3005617 Does Hardy come back after 6 games?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 08 October 2014 - 12:50 PM

i think you have a point and the current situation, whether or not he was actually guilty or not, was probably the straw that broke that camel's back.

this by far isn't the first time that his off field life has threatened his playing time. he has chosen a very risky lifestyle and surrounds himself with people like this girl who is at the center of the story who is allegedly(?) someone who who uses a good bit of drugs. re:hardy, though, remember that pic he posted showing the speedometer of his motorcycle? or that table at he club covered with shot glasses or whatever it was? and there's probably a lot more than that which we haven't seen that PR guys have probably either covered up or otherwise kept from the public.

now he has a right to whatever lifestyle he wants, but remember that this is a business in which the players get massive amounts of money and hardy is due for probably $10+mil a year. keep in mind that many companies in many industries will either suspend or terminate the employment of people who get into trouble even if they are on their own time. the reason is they don't want stuff coming back on them and they don't want to put their own money into someone whose life can negatively affect their performance. you may not like that, but it's their money and their company and they have a right to protect themselves from employees who's outside life can have a negative impact on the organization.

i don't for a moment believe that the panthers expect their players to be perfect angels. i knwo they know a good number of their players like to party and take part in some rather risky outside moments and situations, but you have to also know that they have a limit to what they will put up with and it very well could be that hardy reached his.

one thing to also consider, media scrutiny effects sponsors which the panthers, just like any professional sports organization, depends on for their survival. they also have investors that they depend on and and have to keep happy. if sponsors that help keep this team afloat financially start pulling the plug because of a public backlash, those whose money is wrapped up in the team/organization will understandably want to protect their pocketbook.

there are a couple players that i feel like the panthers depend on for their success...and by a couple i mean two, that being cam and keek. aside from those two (and anderson may challenge this idea), we need those two if we have any hope of playing in the post season. aside from those two, all players on the team are replaceable, imo. it may take a little time for them to adjust and find someone to step up, but for the most part the team should be able to adjust to the absence ofany one or two players on the team.

the team can and will go on without hardy, whether just a couple more weeks or the rest of the season or forever and ever, amen.

going back to hardy's situation, i don't think we know the whole story. that's probably pretty obvious. i also think that the team may he privy to a whole lot more information than we are and that may be something that factors into the decision whether or not hardy plays again. they may know some things that tells them they don't want to continue their relationship with hardy, but won't share that with the public for hardy's sake (or just to protect themselves from future lawsuits...take your pick).

they may feel that prior to this incident, one year giving him $13mil or whatever is fine, but investing much more than that over a much longer period of time wasn't in their best interest as an organization. you can debate whether or not they should factor off field stuff into the equation, but it's not your millions of dollars on the line.

now i have no dog in this fight. i'm not a company man who tows the company line no matter what they do. i disagree plenty with what the orgainzation does. i didn't like franchising hardy to begin with, but that had nothing to do with his off field stuff and everything to do with not wanting to have 20% of the cap spent on two players at one position.

i don't know if hardy is innocent or guilty and i don't really care one way or the other. if he's a panther i'll be cheering for him and if he's not, he's just another guy.

the point of the above was just to provide some perspective on things from the organizational side of things. you don't have to agree with them, but i think their position on things should be understood and maybe even respected.


All his lifestyle business is speculation. Guarantee you they will only be asking one question when looking to play him or sign him long term. Is he good enough to help win games were we can put up with the headache? The answer is yes.


I think he plays and I also think he stays a panther after this year. CJ is too old and too expensive. Hardy is in his prime and his deal can be worked to better fit us.

He'll probably be found innocent due to lack of evidence and that will be the last of that.

Bring him back when 6 are up.


#3004291 this what pisses me off about shula

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 07 October 2014 - 12:21 PM

I'm talkin bout Cam bruh


Cam is only one part of it though. This is a team game and we all know cam can't do it alone.


#3004223 this what pisses me off about shula

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 07 October 2014 - 11:40 AM

Not really. Keeping a ferrari at 100 isn't as hard on the engine as stop and go city driving.


Your theory, destroyed.


This offense ain't no Ferrari I'll tell you that much. With this oline it's more like a old tricked out Honda civic. It can go fast if you want but your always afraid it will break and leave you on the side of the road


#3003009 Would you genetically engineer your child?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 06 October 2014 - 03:14 PM

Yeah I would. So I can put him and sports and get filthy rich off that little bastard.


#3001804 Did Luke have 75 tackles today?

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 05 October 2014 - 09:46 PM

Lol this guy is a joke.


#2993081 Gil Brandt draft redo

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 01 October 2014 - 05:01 PM

the domestic abuse thing has very little/nothing to do with my feelings on whether or not hardy should have been tagged.

i don't think it was the right call because that was way too much money being spent on one position and i felt from the beginning that it would come back to bite us in the ass more than letting him go would. hardy and johnson take up 21% of the total cap and 50% of cap used on the defense.

adding to that, he has an overly risky lifeztyle that he refuses to get under control that the organization has to be getting tired of and it was only a matter of time before it bit him in the ass. i mean the guy has a right to live how he wants, but the panthers don't have to be pying for it. there's several things that he had done which would have resulted in a firing from many corporations, but we were going to give him $15mil for another year of it. granted the chances of us signing him to a long term deal were virtually nil i think largely because of those two reasons, but i stillthink the hard but better decision would have been to let him walk and improve at least the OL.


If the rice video never leaks he plays and gets paid the 13 he earned as a top pro bowl de.

Only looks worse than it actually was because he has to sit of some trumped up media bs.


#2992708 Gil Brandt draft redo

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 01 October 2014 - 03:24 PM

We tagged hardy before his legal troubles and before post ray rice NFL. If that video never leaked hardy would have been playing the whole season. Don't blame dg for that. It was the right move at the time.

Everyone loves to look back and say they were calling for one thing when that move only looks good now because of poo that happened which no one could foresee happening


#2990827 Top 4 reasons for current losing streak

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 30 September 2014 - 03:23 PM

I would like to see more quick short passes to help the fact we have no run game. We need to see show philly/avant quick slants to get us away from having 3rd and long options. Make the offense more up tempo. We saw cam kill it in a faster paced offense against Detroit. I think that would go along way to make up for the poor oline play


#2980581 I Can't Wait For Game Time

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 28 September 2014 - 12:01 AM

Will be at the stadium bright and early


#2980209 Panthers offense is LOL

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 27 September 2014 - 03:29 PM

Somebody, maybe even Alicejandra, posted it here last year or something. It was in a thread. When I saw it I immediately thought "Holy poo that's Chunk!".


That photo is the crown jewel of this subforum.

This is amazing hahaha


#2980033 Panthers offense is LOL

Posted by CarolinaCoolin on 27 September 2014 - 01:09 PM

It is freaking uncanny how much little Lastra looked like Chunk from Goonies. Holy poo.
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Lmao how the hell did you find that photo??




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