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#2718127 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 09:16 AM

I honestly believe he feels our offense is absolutely okay. I honestly believe he feels it did a good job last year and that he legitimately doesn't know how often luck had a huge hand in our success.



I honestly believe this is completely inaccurate.  If you think DG thinks our O is perfectly fine then you might as well call him a moron. NO ONE looks at a 26th ranked O and thinks it's good enough. 

#2718121 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 09:11 AM

Perhaps I'm inaccurately equating losing Smitty/Gross and guys like Mitchell with going backwards temporarily. I know we will reload with new role players that will contribute on a comparable level as they did. Gross in the biggest loss, undoubtedly, and Smitty was declining, and Getts does have a track record of finding diamonds in the rough. Agree that I would rather have a consistent winner than JUST to win right now. I just want it all lol :)



I want it all, too. I just don't believe that we're going to be so terrible next year. 


Gross was a huge loss. But he retired...not much we can do about that. 

#2718103 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 09:00 AM

You're exactly right. That is precisely the deal. It's frustrating for us because of the success last season and to stay pat or not aggressively enough (in our eyes) try to upgrade the wideouts to build on 12-4 seems crazy. It's like we were only a few pieces away from getting to the next level and now have almost taken too many steps back. I don't want to audition young guys on a previous division champion team. I want to find the guy and take over. Seems simple enough, even though it's not at all.



This is our problem.  We all want to win NOW and think we need to do whatever it takes to do it. I, personally, would rather build a team that will be in the playoffs every year for a decade than do whatever it takes to win in 2014.  Who was "the guy" who was going to be THE GUY for the future?  I am a fan of Nicks and thought he'd be a good addition, but I wasn't ready to say he was going to be THE guy.  


But seriously....what steps have we really taken back?  I'm just not seeing it.  

#2718056 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 08:27 AM

Question: who is the Seahawks certified #1 WR?

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They don't have one.  They have guys who have performed higher than they were expected to because they have a solid run game, more than decent OL, and a QB who can create time for himself if needed to find an open receiver. 


Good formula! 

#2718047 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 08:21 AM

I appreciate your contributions to the board RR, and I don't intend to turn this into a long-running debate, because the truth is, we don't know what the team will look like come September.  I just don't like what we're doing right now, nor do I like what we have done to this point or what we're saying we will do...  And what troubles me about that is if you aren't getting better, then what are you getting?


But, to hit on a few of your points.  I never said Seattle had a bonafide #1 WR.  I said they had plenty of weapons and looking at their roster last year, accounting for injuries, it's likely Tate was their #1, and he was very good in his role.  Then Harvin came back for the Superbowl and gave them another dimension, and he will likely be their #1 WR this season.  Even if we were wanting to copy Seattle's model, the idea is to have accumulated several threats across the board and the guy projected as your #1, even if he isn't truly a #1 but is just your best WR, has to have gamebreaking ability.  Tate had it.  Harvin has it.  Baldwin has it.  Kearse has it.  LOL...  All their WRs had the ability to break a small play open for a huge one. 


We did not have that.


Same with the Niners.  It doesn't matter who you want to label their #1 WR...  If you want to say it's Davis.  Fine.  You want to say it's Crabtree?  Cool.  Boldin?  Alright...  Point remains, just as with Seattle, they have multiple weapons and guys that can break a game open on any one play.


AGAIN, outside of Cam, we did not have that last year, and we don't have it right now.  And it's an awful lot to expect a rookie to come in and be that when we are lacking weapons in so many areas.  Outside of Cam, DWill is our closest option and he is RB over 30 years old...  No telling when he'll fall off that production cliff.


And back to the Niners, the reason we lost to them is because they were more diverse offensively.  If you have to account for Kaepernick, Gore, Crabtree, Boldin, Davis, etc., on every single play, it creates problems for a defense.  So, maybe your defense give up a few scores...  What do you do?  Come back and match those...  Which we couldn't because we didn't have the personnel, nor the philosophy to do so.


My point remains, all of the teams being discussed had and likely will have a better WR corps across the board.  We signed two #3-4 WRs and our fanbase acts like that is how a champion is built.  NO.  The blueprint has been laid out, and whether you want to be a run-first or pass-first offense, the philosophy remains the same - you have to be diverse offensively and have weapons across the board, in the run game and the pass game.  We didn't have that and we don't have that. 


Our fanbase has long had problems with delusion...  We have a successful season and everyone gets stuck in that moment.  We believe we're better than what we are.  And we're not.  We got knocked out of the playoffs on our homefield by a team that was better constructed than us, and that's why we lost.  So what do you do?  You improve.  You build on your strengths.  You attack your weaknesses aggressively in FA and the draft...  That doesn't mean signing career situational players at positions of need.


That is my issue.  We have no playmakers outside of Cam.  Even adding a rookie is no surefire thing, and still, that's one or two guys...  It's beyond frustrating to see our approach thus far.  And comments like, "we don't need a #1 WR" are like a slap in the face when that is the reason our season ended...  WE HAD NO PASSING GAME.  Olsen is great.  He's reliable, he's consistent, but he isn't Vernon Davis either.  He isn't Jimmy Graham.  You're not counting on him to bust a small gain for a huge one.  That's what we need.



I get what you're saying, but honestly what could DG have done differently? We're not in cap position to be aggressive in the WR FA this year. Not to mention, when Decker and Nicks are headlining the WR FA class is that really the time to dump a bunch of money to a WR? Have you looked at the UFA WRs for next year when we should have more cap flexibility?


I want to have some studs on O, too, but I don't think that's what's going to keep us from winning....it didn't last year.  After seeing the holes in the secondary at the start of the season and then how well they played at the end of the season, I've truly bought in to the "big men" theory and think beefing up the OL will have tons of positive results on the entire O.  With our style of O and desire to control the clock, a sure-handed possession receiver is more important than a HR threat.  


I do a pretty good job at looking at the team objectively. I think last year we were better than we really were - not the other way around like you said.  What our fan base also does is get panicked when we have one good year and believe we need to do everything it takes to win NOW. We're not good enough to compete with SF or Seattle now - we're close but they're better. This is why I am not frustrated by the approach. We may take a step back next season, but we're building around a great core and getting in position for consistent success. If that means we build a solid line and run with Cotchery, Underwood, two no-names, and a rookie next season....I'm ok with that to get us to 2015.  


EDIT:  Because I think we can still win with our D, a solid OL that helps the running game, and those receivers. 

#2718004 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 07:38 AM

We were talking about hiw Seattle supposedly set the blueprint for winning last season with a "run-first offense." Last season they had Tate, Harvin, Rice, Baldwin, and Kearse. We're not talking about this season, so Tate walking is irrelevant. Now, if you do want to talk about this upcoming season, they still have Harvin and idk who all else left or became a FA outside of Tate and Rice... now, name a dynamic, consistent, reliable option we are csrrying over to next season at this point. There is none, and that's the issue.

Let's look at the Niners, who have been deep in the postseason every year since Harbaugh got there... Run-heavy at times? Yes. Why wouodn't you be? Frank Gore, LaMichael James, Kaepernick. So what if the run game gets shut down? Vernon Davis. Crabtree. Boldin. LOL. Aside from the refs, that's how they came to Charlotte and ended our season.

Look at every other team that made the playoffs last season and compare their receiving corps to ours. It's laughable. Then we release our best WR with no backup plan, and now say we might even need one, we'll just run Georgia Tech's offense this season. LMAO...

I get it's March and some in our fanbase are patient to a fault. But, I don't like what I'm seeing or hearing.
IMO, even if we hit on a WR in the first two rounds, we still didn't upgrade the offense. Cotchery is a #3, Underwood is a #3 or 4. McNutt will not amount to anything and we've never seen King play a meaningful down in the NFL.

We didn't add weapons or become more explosive to this point, in fact, we downgraded, and I'm not optimistic about that changing after the draft if you're depending on a rookie to become your #1 off the bat.



This has got all kinds of problems....


Seattle was definitely a run-first offense. Look at RW's attempts per game and the number of deep passes he had. If you're talking about their receivers last year: Tate is not a #1, Harvin was hurt constantly, Rice was hurt, Baldwin was a UDFA, Kearse was a UDFA.....where is this #1 you keep referring to? They have done a great job finding receivers to step up and be play makers, but they do not have a legitimate #1 receiver like a Green or Bryant or whoever. This is the model that the Panthers are going after.  Again....a strong OL + strong QB + more than decent running game = open WRs. 


I don't want to talk about this season because the rosters are incomplete.  But the fact that they let Tate walk and cut Rice should tell you something about their belief in their "plug and play" WR system. 


I agree the 49ers have good receivers....but who is their #1?  Davis? Isn't his production in line with Olsen's? Maybe a little higher? They still win by running the ball and playing great D - not by having a stud WR playmaker.


Olsen is our best receiver - not Smitty - and he's still on the team


You can call it "patient by fault" I call it waiting to see the final product before assessing how our team is going to be for the upcoming season. I see no reason to freak out until the roster is set (doesn't mean I won't freak out then).  


If we improve the line significantly and add a WR, there is no reason why we can't control the TOP like we did this past season. You do realize we only gave up around 13 points a game last year? That means 14 points will win the game for you.  

#2717968 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 07:04 AM

The Hawks had a decent OL and they had a running game. I think the concern of mine and others is with the exception of our Qb we have neither. Our running game stats are skewed because of our Qb did most of the running and much of it was not a designed play.Rivera is right about needing a" number 1" but that means you have to get production in other places . Right now we have four" number 3" receivers.and OTs void of talent. 


I know it is still early but I would like to hear Getts and Rivera acknowledge we have a problem instead of suggesting our running game is acceptable therefore  our need for a number 1 WR is exaggerated .That is either untrue or flawed logic



I agree....but I think we need to stop looking at our current roster and saying "we can't do this or that". We know the type of team they're looking to build - let's see what they do with the rest of FA and the draft. We know they're not going to publicly show their cards on the moves they're going to make. 


Our strong front 7 made the weak secondary look much better than it was.  A strong OL + strong QB + a serviceable RB rotation will do the same for average WRs. 

#2717950 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 06:36 AM

Saying we may not need a #1 WR infers that WR isn't a priority.

And the Hawks weren't exactly a run-first offense. They ran a lot, but look at their WR corps and stack it against ours from last year or even what we have to this point this offseason... heck, even add in the rookie WR of your choice. The Hawks have tons of talent at WR. They get it. They gave their talented young QB weapons.

They let Tate walk and cut Rice. That leaves an UDFA in Baldwin. I honestly can't name another receiver for them.

His comments don't mean we aren't goon to draft a receiver. Comparing their unit vs our unit is an incomplete comparison until the final 53 is announced. That's just like everyone freaking out. What Khaki is saying, and I agree with, is that a strong run game and punishing D is still a philosophy that works in the NFL.

#2717942 Ron Rivera: Panthers may not need number 1 WR in 2014

Posted by RoaringRiot on 27 March 2014 - 06:31 AM

You could read the tea leaves when the offseason started... Gettleman and Rivera think they can buck the trend and ride one of the worst offenses in the NFL (due to philosophy, mostly) to another successful year. WRONG. You are not going to win the NFL without a semblance of a #1 WR.

Who exactly was Seattle's #1 WR?

He's just letting it be known that their focus is going to be on the OL so that they can run the ball effectively. A strong line = better running game + more time for Cam = more time for receivers to get open = better offensive control + strong D = Super Bowl.

#2715460 Parker has bust written all over him.

Posted by RoaringRiot on 25 March 2014 - 08:27 AM

I would take Parker on my NBA team in a second.  

#2714204 David Newton is as definitive as we've seen: D-Jax NOT happening!

Posted by RoaringRiot on 24 March 2014 - 07:34 AM

How are D-Jax's tackling skills? He's going to need them playing with Matt Schaub.

#2712605 Duke sucks

Posted by RoaringRiot on 22 March 2014 - 06:26 PM

I thought the term "one and done" referred to Duke's NCAA performances.

#2709957 A bit of news on D-Jax

Posted by RoaringRiot on 21 March 2014 - 06:47 AM

Back to hating Gettleman

#2707952 NFL.com Power Rankings: ( we're 10th)

Posted by RoaringRiot on 20 March 2014 - 08:07 AM

All we have to do is score 14 points a game and we'll going undefeated.  

#2705320 Want Gettleman out?

Posted by RoaringRiot on 18 March 2014 - 05:34 PM

We will. Let's just hope that one beer doesn't turn into several if the season doesn't turn out well.

Doubt is growing daily but I've managed to stay away from the dark side so far.

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