the entire premise of my post was that some guys who split time between coming out of a stance or standing up in a LBer position do not translate well to playing the style of DE that carolina utilizes for its 4-3. you clearly didn't understand what i was saying.
He played the traditional 43 role for 6 years: was an awesome DE.
He played 2 years of wide-9 DE, a strong scheme to produce pass rush but not very good as a run D scheme: was an awesome DE.
He played 2 years of 34 OLB: was a mediocre-at-best OLB.
Ask any Philly fan. He will not be remembered as an OLB by anyone who has some sense of football knowledge. Period.
Yeah but keep in mind what Jim Johnson's defense was. Trent Cole wasn't being asked to play the run at all. So just because he lines up kinda on the same spot of the field as players you've seen doesn't meant the role is similar.
I mean anyone with PFF can pull up his stats against the run to easily back this up. He was an EDGE with his hand on the ground.
He was an early down DE in all those years. He was clearly the #1 in that DL and no, he wasn't a subpackage player that only played on 3rd downs. A friend of mine who is an Eagles fan is laughing on the floor reading this thread.
In fact he's telling me that Jim Johnson D was a 2-gap scheme meaning the DL players are reading the play & reacting instead of shooting gaps.
His PFF run stats doesn't matter one bit. I believe C.Johnson had a negative run grade this year and nobody will say that he's a pass rush specialist that doesn't "play the run at all" or that he doesn't play in 1st down.
Yeah but he was never really a traditional DE like Carolina has been using for the past 15 years. He was playing the Wide 9 for a lot of it when they had Jason Babin, and was always lining up wider than usual as well.
Like he wasn't playing the 5 or 6 technique, he was playing the 9, even after they got rid of reid and everyone.
For example, look how wide they are here. They have their hands in the ground but they have absolutely no gap or run responsibility.
So to say nothing of his age, he's not suited for an every down role in Carolina.
The wide 9 arrived at Philly in 2011 with DL coach Jim Washburn (former DL Titans coach, that's why they got Babin that same year). The wide 9 lasted only 2 years before they switched to a 34 defense with Chip Kelly.
Cole got drafted in 2005: from that point until 2011 (6 years) he got 57 sacks in a traditional 43 defense. For god's sake he was coached in some of those years by McDermott!