So now, instead of telling you why Wes Welker isn't elite..you want me to name a better #2 WR? Lol Just accept my opinion and move on. Like I've already said..this is all opinionated in the first place.
ANY...head coach in this league would rather have Smitty than Wes. Bank on it.
All I have asked is for you to tell me what in your opinion makes a player elite..... and you can't.
I asked for you to name a player simply bc I was going to point out you can't name a more productive player. Production is all that really matters.
Welker doesnt have to have the skill set of an Andre Johnson and play a traditional #1 to be elite.....just like a QB doesn't have to be a pure passer or a RB just a rusher
Well, I realize it isn't tough math..but I'd like to see the information your spouting off with. Eh, fug it..I could care less anymore. Smith is a better WR all around. Hell, if Smith would have had Brady throwing to him (or even Cassell..during the Teste, Moore, Clausen days) I think he'd almost be a lock for HOF. To be honest man, you're just rehashing everything you've already said..which makes me think you've ran out of real estate on this topic. Welker is NOT an elite WR, but rather a good one.
You have the drop numbers.
Every sport website has there receptions over the last two years.
What other info do you need?
Again, what makes someone elite? Name a 2 WRs not named Smith, Megatron, Fitz, or Andre.....better.
Can't get your nose out of his jock eh? I think you're wrong about Smith dropping more passes per attempt. Either way, Smitty>Welker. And that's with homerism aside. Any analyst that knows that their talking about would tell you the same as well. Welker doesn't fumble because he doesn't fight for yards. He takes what is there and goes down.
Wes Welker ladies and gentlemen, possibly one of the greatest #2 WR's ever. Lol
Well it isn't tough math....but Smith averages more frequent drops when compared to his receptions.
And Smitty is > than Welker in this offense or if asked to take on the role of a traditional #1.
Welker is a different WR. Asked to do different things. He is arguably the greatest slot man in NFL history.
Welker and Smith are different and play the game different.....you are too focused on why Welker isn't like Smith. Like I pointed out....look at Welkers touches and lack of fumbles compared to Smith....Smith needs to go down often when he doesn't.
Welker is an elite WR. Patriots also went from being a running/defensive to a uber passing team when BB realized what Welker allowed Brady to do.
He's a soft Steve Smith. And whats with throwing Cassells name in there? It's not like the man is trash heap garbage. Dwayne Bowe has had 3 1000+ yards seasons out of the 5 he's been there. Those aren't bad numbers. I bet you didn't even realize that Wes Welker is 2nd in most ball drops..only behind Brandon Marshall the past two years.. He's just a "good" slot receiver who flourishes from his QB and team because the lack of running game has the Pats passing a large amount of the 60 min.
LOL, just a "good" slot WR....he is THE NFL slot WR. Potentially of all time.
Welker does have drops....He also catches more balls. Smitty drops the ball more frequently if you want to go off stats.
Also, in regards to the soft remark....how many touches does Welker have vs Smitty? Now look at how Welker has zero fumbles despite all those and Smitty many in comparison despite less touches....Smitty often would be better off going down at times
Not really. It just means he's good at getting a few more yards after the initial catch. Lol I am implying he's not the athlete the elite WR's in this game are. Plus, he's only had one good playoff game out of seven. SEVEN. Plus the infamous drop from last year.. Look CRA, I understand that nothing I say is going to make you change your views. Our opinions are our opinions, and mine is that Welker IS NOT a top 5 receiver. MAYBE top ten. Regardless, I've spent WAY too much time talking about a player that plays for the team I hate the most. Welker is "good". He's "usually" a sure handed receiver, that is quick and will get a few more yards after the initial catch...but to say that he's "elite" or even mention him as one of the top 5 WR's in the game?
Well, like I said he has 3 of the top 4 best YAC season in NFL history by a WR. Initually someone claimed he flopped after catching it and now you claim he is okay after the catch.....but what he has done still counters that.
Like I asked, by your standards what makes you elite?
Is a WR only elite if he can play one role.....and that is as a traditional #1?
Welker has the production and play to be top 5....and he had the same production with Cassell. Teams like NYJ see the need to have the best CB in the NFL shadow him for an entire game. If a defense fills the need to put Revis on you...you are probably legit.
I didn't say it was all about the deep ball. I simply said Welker was overrated. He's not elite, nor is he worth the $ he wants. I can guarantee you he wouldn't be as productive with another QB throwing at him.
What makes someone elite?
Brady sat in 2008. He put up identical numbers in 2008 as he has with Brady....so your guarantee is already wrong. He caught 100+ balls and had a 1000 yard season with Cassel.
Welker can't play the #1 in the traditional sense.....he is an elite WR and the league hasn't figured out how to stop him in the slot regardless of QB
You're putting Roddy "Dropped Ball" White and Wes Welker, who had one of the greatest dropped balls in Superbowl history, ahead of Smitty? Really?
Welker is a different type WR than Smitty. Regardless of his QB you gotta respect his production. Welker almost has broken Smitty's 05 YAC numbers several times. Welker owns 3 of the top 4 YAC seasons.
Welker is a top 5 WR even if he can't take in the role as a #1.