How many times do I have to point out that you post in them more than me? Everytime a thread includes "Clausen" the most recent post is by "TheRealDeal." 100% of people with a functioning brain on this board already know what it's going to be about as well.
Ask 32 NFL GMs if they'd cut a 2nd-round pick QB who had the supporting cast he did. Go ahead.
the supporting cast wasn't as horrific as you paint it.....in fact, it was pretty dang decent for a rookie. Good D, good ST, good run game, and a pro bowl WR (who he ignored). Cast was fine.
also, one of those 32 GMs just cut a 2nd round QB in recent history after one season.
most people acknowledge Moore was bad but played better than Clausen. Moore looked better w/ zero ground attack aiding him. Clausen near the end had one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL aiding him.
BSP rolling out of his kids nursery and making his first NFL start on 4 days of practice looked better.
Clausen was so bad he made those two horrible QBs look like better options. Clausen won't start next year. A QB like Matt Moore looks much better than him (he did in camp, practice, and games). If a bad QB looks better than Clausen......Rivera will have no trouble finding a better option to beat Clausen in camp. The bad news, is beating Clausen doesn't mean crap b/c he is that bad.
Doesn't address his shoulder injury, which is a major reason he may not come back. Clausen would never have started as many games as he did if not for the injury. In addition, as you said, Moore didn't exactly look good in his starts, so it is possible they decide they have seen the best of him and don't like what he offers, long-term, whereas Clausen still could turn it in around, as unlikely as that is. IMO, Moore has the tools to do well, and should get a chance to compete if his shoulder is fixed, I'm just not sure it will be here. It's clear they'll be bringing in competition for Clausen, so it's not as if they are putting stock in him as their only option either.
Bradford was the #1 pick and had an offense designed for him, which really is the most important part of it. Bradford would have looked miles worse in this offense through most of the year, too. But the numbers aren't my concern with Clausen and never were. It's his mechanics and his leadership abilities, which I thought weren't going to be an issue and clearly have been.
don't need to address the shoulder injury as that is irrelevant. Moore was being brought up to show what an undrafted rookie did late in a season.
At the end of the season when he was in a decent scenario to show something he didn't. He didn't look better than other rookies in 2010 or rookies from prior seasons (which is the only reason Moore's name is bring brought up).
all this stuff about how Clausen was doomed is bogus. Clausen had plenty of chances and a team around him to show off glimpses of his talent.
that was called sarcasm Mr. Zod. It was applying your logic beyond Clausen and to all QBs. I mean if we don't know how good or bad Clausen is b/c of Foxy.....then how do we know what Moore is. Can't apply that logic to one guy and not the other.
Clausen just flat out stinks. Period. Clausen makes bad QB play look like a decent option.
A QB that was a rookie and had a crappy Oline. Yeah I think i will reserve judgment for awhile. Clausen will get a chance to show if he has improved next year. QB's just come into the NFL and light it up. It takes time for them to adjust. Our Oline will be better next year and he will have a year of experience. Now with that said he better stop vacationing and get his ass in the film room.
OL wasn't that bad. QB play was.
Clausen looks just like he did at ND. His style of play simply makes an OL look worse than it is. Same reason you can put David Carr and another QB behind the same OL and protection looks worse for Carr.
No one expected Clausen to light it up. They expected him to show something.
So now we're comparing him to Brees and Ryan, just 2 of the league's 5 best QBs. He's never gonna be in their level, but has the potential to be a solid player if given a a good scheme to play to his strengths, and some protection.
LOL. No. The point is you can watch any QB in the division......they all face the same kind of pressue Clausen did. That is the point. The pressure isn't unique to Clasuen....yet you try to paint that as the reason for his failure. Every few seasons you see one or 2 QBs who get to sit back all day w/ little pressure....that ain't reality in the NFL. Yo don't just have to watch guys in our division....you can watch all the other rookie QBs that looked better than Clausen (and there are more than the big 2).
the issue all season was how Panther QBs reacted to the pressure....and that is why opponents brough it at a higher rate when they faced Carolina. Every team has plays where a Mike Goodson or a Gross whiffs on a play and the QB is doomed for a down.
Clausen was just flat out bad. Coaching, OL, etc. are not a means to justify how bad he was. Clausen made a lot of the offense around him look a lot more dysfuntional than they really were. Watch every snap BSP played and Moore played.....there is a noticeable difference. They were able to function at times successfully. Jimmy was the only one who had a healthy AND dangerous ground attack as well.
So many thing about that game.....getting away from the run, poor gameplan or lack thereof, sticking with ineffective players, classic lines like a bad day to have a bad day. That game was so bad it will always pop into my head when I think of Fox......everything that made him a not a great coach wrapped up into one game.
Disagree. We are now on the downswing of the high power offense pendulum. People said the same thing in the late 90s with the greatest show on turf. Then came the bucs and ravens superbowl wins with brad johnson and trent dilfer winning the big games.
well, during that time span they didn't amend the rules of the game to favor the passing offense like they have now done in recent history.
the game is setup now to take advantage of the pass......doesn't make sense to try to stay away from that and just hope for a gamemanager.