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#1456070 DWill

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 12 October 2011 - 08:11 AM

You seem to forget that we are not a west coast 4 and 5 wide receiver set offense. Green Bay does not run the same system that we do so using them to discuss our situation is not an apple to apples comparison. Secondly they do have 2 good running backs- Starks and Grant who have 57 and 39 carries respectively. Compare that to Williams and Stewart who have 47 and 37 carries respectively.

Green Bay is built on 3 and 4 wide looks and frequent use of a tight end like Finley. They stretch the field largely horizontally with some deep passing. We on the other hand stretch the field vertically with more deep passing and some working to the edges. We run a 12 or 22 personnel and only on third down or the 2 minute offense do we run an empty backfield. All passing attacks don't require 4 or 5 wide receivers. We do have 4 receivers on the field much of the time but that includes 2 wides and 2 tight ends.

Chud does not run a Green Bay style offense and instead typically uses tight ends as primary receivers. So we are really configured just as our offense is supposed to run. We don't need 5 wide receivers because we don't run those sets. Even in 5 wide sets we typically put Olsen out wide and often put a running back in the slot along with 3 wide receivers.

Again we are 5 games into the season and are still installing the offense and developing chemistry. Compare us to teams in the same boat not ones like Green Bay who are running the same scheme for years and have had no turnover in coaching or personnel.

Lastly I don't know how you can decide what our offense will look like after 5 games or whether we are running too much or too little. Even within that time span our offense has changed quite a bit. In the first 2 games the defense put 9 guys in the box and running was difficult at best. In the last 2, the defenses have played more cover 2 and kept 7 in the box after they decided that Newton would burn them. Consequently we have run more with better success. Right now we are ranked in the top half in rushing yards at 116 yards a game which is 13th.


I fully realize we aren't running the same scheme as GB....doesn't change the fact our current roster around Cam still is more suited for a running offense than a passing one.

How much was invested in Starks/Grant....in terms of draft picks and contracts. Starks/Grant is a perfect example of my point.....you don't need 2 1st round draft picks w/ big contracts in today's NFL......

and yes, we are 5 games in and installing the new scheme....but the days of needing to invest like we did under Fox in the RB position are over. They simply don't get the reps for it to be worth it. Money is now better spent to fit the passing league (and money can be spent on both sides of the ball in regards to keeping up w/ the this passing era of football)

Williams (once he deemed a "starter)
2008 - averaged 18.4 touches a game
2009 - averaged 18.5 touches a game
2010 - averaged 16.3 touches a game

2011 (big contract) - averages 10.6 touches a game.

It is nothing against DeAngleo...but you don't spend more to make someone a smaller part of your offense. No reason to believe that DeAngelo's role is going to get bigger......new direction.


#1455379 DWill

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 11 October 2011 - 06:21 PM

One of the reasons that conventional wisdom is to wait 3 years is because one season good or bad is too soon to see if a player will be a boon or bust. All you have to remember is Colbert to see that lesson.

Our running backs are getting touches. If you look at the last 2 games you can see their roles are expanding particularly in the passing game. Chud had no offseason, no OTAs and is still installing the offense why can't folks give him time before passing judgement??

I would think the proof is in the pudding. The fact we are 6th in offense and are sixth in passing yards at 311 yard per game and tied for sixth in yards per attempt at 8.3 tells you all you need to know.

Truth is with the exception of 2008 we were not a good running team we were a persistent running team. We did it over and over whether it worked or not.

Come into the light my friend and be glad. We have the best offense we have had in a decade. Olsen is a beast and is going to be a force and Shockey is a great blocking tight end as well as a good receiver. As for being built as a run first team, I would disagree. Right now we are a better pass blocking team than a running team. Doesn't hurt that Cam is elusive and can avoid sacks. Then again teams like New Orleans, New England, and Indy always had good lines largely because of their quarterbacks' quick release. With the exception of Otah we are not bruisers.


if you look at our backfield from top to bottom....it is arguably the best in the NFL.

If Steve Smith the #1 WR goes down....Carolina's passing attack would rank in the bottom half of the NFL.

You can't say those things about teams BUILT to pass.

I got no complaints about what we are doing. Very happy with it. but Rivera and company don't have the roster a passing team would want yet.....more talent needs to be invested into the WRs......and less at the RB spot.

I mean GB would have no interest in keeping 2 RBs like we have on there roster if it meant they had weaker WRs.......you can find RBs anywhere. WRs you cant

And lastly....look at how many touches per game DeAngelo gets compared to other RBs in the NFL.....then look at what they cost vs.him......just seems like Hurney wasn't aware of what the new guys were about IMO.


#1452588 Why Stewart is getting the passing reps

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 10 October 2011 - 03:53 PM

Didn't pay attention to this until I was watching some highlights....but did everyone see the Stewart block on the Smith TD?

http://www.nfl.com/v...continuous=true

Stewart literally lifts the guy rushing off the ground and drops him on his head...allowing Cam to step up.

Stewart's blitz pick up has been great this year. Not something sexy to talk about but VERY important given the direction of the offense in the future and Stewart's age. Cam needs that type RB when we get pass happy.


#1441376 So how would you feel about Randy Moss as our new #2?

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 05 October 2011 - 09:44 AM

Moss and his agent have both said he is done. Only NE could talk him into playing. also, Moss can only run 1 route at this point.....and he doesn't always like to run it.

Plus he just doesn't fit on a young ball club building up.


#1440069 Cam Newton vs Andrew Luck - Now who would you choose?

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 04 October 2011 - 03:18 PM

Newton is on pace to shatter most NFL rookie records (with a stacked deck against him b/c of the lockout)

Basically, he is doing what some suggest Luck could do if everything went great for him.

Andrew Luck's name should never be spoken b/c he is now irrelevent.


#1439582 Does Smitty still puke?

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 04 October 2011 - 10:24 AM

I don't recall that ever being an issue... Are you sure you're not thinking about Any Given Sunday?


you remember back in the day when Smith was just a punt returner and couldn't get a shot at playing WR........and all the teammates went into the coaches office and put there jerseys on the coaches desk wanting him to have there roster spot for the game. At the end of the game it didn't appear he would get in the but a slow chant from the sidelines began....and soon filled the entire stadium. Steve. Steve. Steve. Steve. . And the coach put him in.

It was pretty awesome.


#1430866 Carolina Panthers @ Chicago Bears | How 'Hitman' Sees It

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 01 October 2011 - 06:59 PM

I think the hitman forgot that big time college programs provide probably a rowdy enviroment than NFL fans do.


#1429925 Would you do this trade?

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 30 September 2011 - 07:21 PM

Jimmy Clausen
Everette Brown
Dwayne Jarrett
Richard Marshall
Eric Shelton
Evan Mathias
Keary Colbert
Bruce Nelson

vs.

Ryan Kalil
James Anderson
Sherrod Martin

So your question is would you trade a great offensive lineman for a 2nd round pick.....when the majority of your 2nd round picks turn out to suck??

Answer is no. Even if Otah can't play full seasons. He is good when he plays and that means ultimately he is a good player on the OL. OL is HUGE in the NFL. At worst he turns into good depth until his contract comes up.


#1428682 Zod Needs to start a Cam Newton

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 29 September 2011 - 08:51 PM

This thread is timely indeed.
Zod started a new invisible sub forum just this week for only the most knowledgable, technically skilled X's and O's types.
The private football mensa topics should be fascinating reading.
Check your Inbox for an invitation, your inclusion is judged on the quality of your posts here in the general members forum.


crap. all I got was an invite to the invisible Clausen sub forum. I need to do better with my brown nosing.


#1428678 ESPN ranks the rookies

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 29 September 2011 - 08:49 PM

I also think Dalton makes the top 10. You gotta factor in he is playing for the freaking Bengals for goodness sakes.


#1427959 Jeff Otah is hurt again.

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 29 September 2011 - 01:41 PM

Otah said he would practice today and should play Sunday.


#1414372 Aaron Curry

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 22 September 2011 - 07:03 PM

wasn't he the "Andrew Luck" of his draft. The can't miss player who would surely succeed?


#1413334 2003 Receiving Core Vs Todays

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 22 September 2011 - 10:34 AM

WR Moose Great
WR Smith Great
WR Proel service able
TE Mangum Bad
TE Wiggins Bad

vs

WR Smith Great
WR Lafell Service able
WR Nannee Bad
TE Shockey Great
TE Olsen Great

2003 2 great 1 serv, 2 bad < 2011 3 great, 1 serv, 1 bad.


Ricky was not "serviceable". He did his job/role very well. You can't tag Shockey/Olsen as both great and slap Ricky in the face like that. Ricky made some HUGE plays in 2003 and was the definition of consistant.


#1413245 Fox/Clausen/Moore vs. Rivera/Cam

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 22 September 2011 - 09:50 AM

2 losses are 2 losses no matter how you look at it...rarely a team will pull off a huge lage season run and make the playoffs but an 0-3 start pretty much means your season is over. If you want to consider it "growing pains" that's fine because they are, but the team could have won both the games and that's what the difference is.


Peyton Manning's 13 losses his rookie year were much different losses than the 14 we had in Carolina last year.

His losses were the building blocks of something great.....our losses last year were the death and implosion of an era.

I mean I get what you are saying, a loss is a loss......but pending on where your team is at.....all losses aren't the same.


#1412169 Nfl.com predicting Cam Newton Gets

Posted by DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA) on 21 September 2011 - 03:52 PM

remember how frustrating it was to watch carolina's defense get methodically pushed down the field because they could stop the run? remember how much time was burned off the clock? remember how little opportunity the offense had to get on the field and score points? remember how out of rhythm the offense was because of it?

that's what jacksonville is going to try to do.

i think it's going to be a lot uglier than people think.


yep. when facing MJD...losing Beason, Davis, and now Godfrey is huge.

If Cam has an off day where he isn't breaking NFL records and looking the complete opposite of what a NFL rookie QB should be......what are we going to do?

We can't stop a MJD......and no one has stepped up to move the chains if Cam ain't slinging the rock well.




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