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#1904169 Some PFF stats

Posted by panther4life on 17 September 2012 - 12:09 PM

Cam Newton killed it.

He had 18 aimed passes(this does not count spikes and throw aways)and completed 14 of them with one being dropped.

Thats 14-17 on aimed passes not dropped and 18 yards per completion.

He was 4-4 on passes of passes traveling 20 or more yards in the air.

He also had a qb rating of 149.6 against the blitz(they blitzed 10 times).

Gamble also shut down anyone who Brees dared to throw it to when Gamble was on them.This includes Jimmy Graham on an endzone play. The only pass completed against him was to sproles for 4 yards.

Also our D really disrupted Brees depsite the fact it wont show up on the stat line as sacks.

20 of his 50 dropbacks came under pressure and we only bltized 10 times.
He was 6-19 for 59 yards, a pick 6 and a sack on those 20 dropbacks.

For comparison he was under pressure on 19 of 54 dropbacks against the skins and that required 20 blitzes to our 10.

He also was only able to attempt 2 passes of 20 or more yards. He completed 1 of them for 29 to colston on the play where Norman fell down. This is signicfant because last year Brees averaged a TD AND 74.5 yards a game on passes over 20 yards in the air. He also attempted them 4.5 times a game last year.

Alexander and Johson led the team in qb hurries with 4 a piece
Hardy and Anderson led in run stops wit 4 a piece.

#1902878 Observations from inside the stadium

Posted by panther4life on 16 September 2012 - 05:36 PM

Does she have a nice butt?

she's the oldest wife of all the coaches, that being said she's doing just fine for her age. I may sit to next to her again so that's all I am saying.

#1902851 Observations from inside the stadium

Posted by panther4life on 16 September 2012 - 05:26 PM

Soo much to like about this game.

First and foremost Godfrey played his ass off today. That pick 6 was a game changer and got the crowd involved in a big way from then on. He also knocked the absolute poo outta Graham in the 4th, sending him to the sideline.

Props to the section on the away side on the 30 yard line...they refused to participate in the wave, but the section by the panthers tunnel was so persistent they got it to go the other direction.

Cam Newton is so awesome for the fans. When we took the lead,his enthusiasm in the end zone jumping up and down and waving his hands and acknowledging the crowd was priceless.

The crowd was awesome today and my section 127 nearly stood up the entire game without 1 complaint.

We truly had homefield advantage today with the D being electrified by the crowd.

I hate the over usage of this word but Thursday Nights atmosphere should be epic.

So nice to see Beason seal the win with the final interception today.

Deangelo still has that home run ability and I am glad we have him regardless of CRA's vendetta against him.

Gamble showed why he was the man again in that pass deflection to force 4th down for the Saints* in the 4th.

By the games end you could tell we totally demoralized the Saints* Defense.

The trick play on the Lafell reverse was a thing of beauty.

Saints* fans behind me were good sports and were genuinely fun to go back and forth with all game.

Met the tight end coach's wife, she was a sweetheart

#1900577 Panthers vs. Saints**** Gameday

Posted by panther4life on 16 September 2012 - 09:33 AM

True story, I ran out of toilet paper and just wiped my ass with Bounty paper towels. On the way up the stadium now!

#1899797 So you want a new GM huh?..Check this out and maybe you'll reconsider.

Posted by panther4life on 15 September 2012 - 12:15 AM

Here are the the guys who have been running their respective team since at least 02 and their records.

Arizona gm Graves took over in 2002 65-95(40% win percentage)
Baltimore gm Newsome took over in 02 94-66 (58% win percentage)
Carolina GM Hurney took over in 02 79-81(49% win percentage) throw out 2010 (Jerry tanked this season and everyone knows it). and he's 77-67(53% win percentage)
Cincinnati Mike Brown Owner since 91 124-244(46% win percentage)
Dallas gm/owner Jones since 89 198-170(53.8 win percentage)
New England, Bill Belicheck since 2000 139-53/(72% win percentage)up until on 09 he split power with pioli but always had final say…by himself he's 37-11(77% win percentage)
New Orleans Mickey Loomis since 02 90-70(56% win percentage)
Oakland Davis since 63 but ill start in 02 56-104 their new GM is in first year(35% win percentage)
Pittsburgh- Kevin Colbert since 2000 127-64-1. (66% win percentage)

Below is the rest

Atlanta gm Dimitroff took over in 08 and the Falcons have been 43-21 under his tenure(67% win percentage). Before him was rich mckay who started in 03 35-45(43% win percentage)…previously they had a gm but the previous owner had final say over personnel decisions. mckay was the first full time gm of the falcons after blank purchased the team in 02

Buffalo Buddy Nix- took over in 2010 and the Bills have a 10-22 record since he took over.(31% win percentage)Before him was Russ Brandon who went 13-19 for 2 years(08and 09)(40% win percentage), now the teams ceo and 2nd man to owner Ralph Wilson. Before Brandon Marv Levy handled the gm job for 2 years (06 and 07)the Bills record under him was 14-18(43% win percentage). Before Levy they had Tom Donahoe run things from 01 to 05, in this time frame the bills were 31-49.(38% win percentage).

Chicago Jerry Angelo took over in 01 and went 95-81.(53.9% win percentage) The bears hired Phil Emory to replace him this year after deciding to fire Angelo.

Cleveland GM Tom heckert has been there since 2010. The Browns record under him so far is 9-23.(28% win percentage) The predecessor to Heckert only lasted 8 games(yes half a season) in 09 before being fired after a 1-7 start. That gentleman's name was George Kokonis. Before him Phil Savage was the gm from 05 to 08, over those 4 years the Browns had a record of 24-40(37.5% win percentage). In the 01-04 seasons Butch Davis was the head coach and de facto gm and during this time they were 25-49.(33.7% win percentage)

Denver now has Elway in charge but before him Brian xanders was the gm for the 09-11 to seasons and was fired/"mutely agreed" to step down in favor of Elway going forward earlier this year. Under his 3 full seasons the team was 20-28(41% win percentage). From 02-07 Ted sundquist was the gm and did well(56-44)(56% win percentage) but shannahan had him fired after the 07 season when they went 7-9.

Detroit GM Martin Mayhew has been with the club since 08 and has complied 16-32 record so far.(33% win percentage) Before Mayhew the infamous Matt Millen ran the Lions front office from 01-08. His terrible tenure finally ended after he capped off the worst career of any GM with and 0-16 season. The Lions overall under Millen was a miserable 31-97.(26% win percentage)

Green Bay GM Ted Thompson joined the franchise in 05 and the Packers have had a 67-45 record since he joined them.(59.8 win percentage)Before Thompson Mike Sherman was the head coach/gm from 01-04(granted Ron Wolf handled the 01 draft). Sherman did well in his duel roles leading the team to a record of 44-20 in 4 seasons as gm/head coach.(68% win percentage) In 05 Sherman committed a major crime in Green Bay by having a losing record (4-12). You would have to go all the way back to 1991 to find a year where the Packers had a losing record before this happened. its only happened once since then too, in 08- they went 6-10.

Houston' GM Rick Smith has been with Texans since 06 and they have had a record of 47-49 since he took over.(48.9% win percentage) Previous to Smith Casserly was the only other GM of the franchise and he ran things from their first year(2002) through 2005. He had a total record of 18-46. Started with 4 wins, then 5, then 7 and in his final year they went backwards for the first time only winning 2 games.(28% win percentage)

Indianapolis GM Ryan Grigson is in his first year with the Colts. Before him Bill Polian joined the colts in 97 after he was given a promotion(named President of the colts vs GM of Panthers). After a terrible first year he acquired the rights to the first overall pick in the draft (Peyton Manning) in 98. Things started off slow only winning 6 games in his first 2 years but after that it was mostly smooth sailing. When it was all said and done his record their was 152-88 after his 15 years with the Colts.(63% win percentage).

Jacksonville's Gene Smith is the first "GM" in Jaguars history . He started in 09 and has a recored of 20-28(41% win percentage). James Lanell "Shack" Harris was the teams VP of player personnel since the teams inception. The Jags overall record under his tenure was 118-106.(52.6% win percentage)

Kansas city hired Scott Pioli before the 09 season. Since 09 the Chiefs have had a record 21-27 under Pioli's control. (43.7% win percentage)The chiefs previously had Carl Peterson running the team for 20 years. Under Peterson the Chief's record was 176-141-1(55% win percentage).

Miami GM Jeff Ireland is probably closest to being on his way out the door of any current GM. His record since taking over in 08 is 31-33.(48% win percentage)His first year the team won 11 games, then 7 the next 2 and now 6 last year. The team is a mess and Ireland has nothing to hang his hat on right now. Randy Mueller was the previous GM but only had final say for the roster in 2007. In his lone year of control the team went 1-15(.06 win percentage). In 2005 and 2006 Saban was head coach and had the ultimate say in roster decisions. He went 15-17(46.8% win percentage) during this time and then took off for Alabama when the job became available after Mike Shula was fired(yes the panthers qb coach).From 2000-2004 Rick Spielman ran the personnel decisions. The Doplhins record under this time was 45-35.(56% win percentage)

Minnesota- Rick Spielman took over the front office duties in June of 06,compiling a record of 45 -51.(46.8 win percentage) Granted his first draft was in 07. Before Spielman Rob Brzezinski ran the front office. He had full control from 02-06. The vikings went 43-53 during this time frame.(44.7% win percentage)

New York Giants current GM Jerry reese has held his position since 07 and the Giants have a record of 49-31.(61% win percentage) Ernie Acorsi was promoted from assistant GM to GM in 98 and held that title through 2006 before Reese took over. He had a record of 73-71.(50.6% win percentage)

New york Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum since has been there since 06 and the Jets have been 49-47 during his tenure.(51% win percentage) Terry Bradway was the Previous GM and he held the title from 01-06. His record was 39-41(48.7% win percentage).

Philadellpia GM Howie Rosemann has been with the team since 2010 and before was Joe banner but Reid has had final say in roster decisions since 01. Since 2001 the eagles record is 110-66.(62.5% win percentage)

San Diego gm a.j smith since 03 88-56(61% win percentage)

San fran has made a nice turnaround so far under Trent Baalke who took over in 2011. Last year they went 13-3… Before Baalke was Scott Mcloughlan who ran the front office from 05-2010. 49ERS record under him was 23-41(35.9% win percentage). From 01-05 Terry Donahue was in charge. From 01-05 the niners were 31-33(48% win percentage) but declined each year. His first year they won 12, then 10,then 7, then 2 and was promptly fired.

Seattle Gm John Schneider has been there since 2010. The Seahawks have been 14-18 under him after 2 years.(42% win percentage) Tim Ruskell ran things from 05-09. He had a winning record of 34-30(53% win percentage) but he inherited a 13 win team his first season(thanks to mike holmgren) and his drafting was horrible. Before that Bob whittstitt split power with Holmgren.

St.Louis les snead is in his first year. From 08-11 Billy Devaney ran the Rams front office and was his record is amongst the worst. The Rams went 12-52(18.7% win percentage) during this time span. Jim Zygmunt who was with the team for 27 years made personnel decisions from 00-07. During this time they were 68-60.(53% win percentage)

Tampa's GM Mark Dominik has held his post since 09. In this time frame the Bucs are 17-31.(35% win percentage) From 04-08 Bruce Allen was the GM.The Bucs were 41-39 under Allen(51.2% win percentage). His drafts were likely what did him in. His first round picks over those 5 years were Michael Clayton,Cadillac Williams,Davin Joseph,Gaines Adams and Aqib Talib. Of all his draft picks only Joseph,Trueblood,Black,Hayward,Talib and Zuttah remain.

Tennesee's Current GM Ruston Webster is in his first year with the team. Previously Mike Reinfedlt ran the team since 07 and went 45-35.Reinfieldt (56% win percentage) has been promoted to Executive VP and CEO.Before that Floyd Reese ran things for a long time(from 94-thru 06). In those 13 seasons he went 106-102.(50.9%) win percentage).

Washington hired GM Bruce Allen in late 09 and the Skins have gone 11-21(34% win percentage) in his 2 years of being back with the team. Vinny Cerrato was in charge of the rosters from 03 to 09. The skins went 47-65 during this span.(41.9% win percentage)

***I only listed regular season records

So since 02 there has been 63 different final decision makers/GM's in the NFL. Only 5 true GM'S(non-owners or belicheck) have been with their team since 02. Those guys are
Rod Graves in Arizona(40% win percentage)- 1-0 in Superbowl since 02
Ozzie Newsome in Baltimore(58% win percentage)0 Superbowl appearances since 02
Marty Hurney in Carolina (49% win percentage)0-1 in Superbowl since 02
Mickey Loomis in New Orleans(56%win percentage) 1-0 in Superbowl since 02
Kevin Colbert in Pittsburgh(66% career win percentage)2-1 in Superbowl since 02

The others who have been running their team since 02 that still are
Mike Brown in Cincinatti- 0 Super Bowl appearances since 88
Jerry Jones in Dallas- 0 Super Bowl appearances since the mid 90's
Bellicheck in New England- 2-1 In Super Bowl since 02

All in all there has been 13 Super Bowl contestants since 02 and they are listed below.
Giants 2-0-
Steelers 2-1
Patriots 2-2
Colts 1-1
Bucs 1-0
Packers 1-0
Saints****** 1-0
Bears 0-1
Seahawks 0-1
Eagles 0-1
Panthers 0-1
Raiders 0-1

So after all that research these are who I find to be the best GM/Decision makers that were in the league through last season with their team and where I would rank them based off what they have done since they joined their team.(I stopped once I got to Hurney)
1.Bill Belicheck-(Patriots)
2.Kevin Colbert(Steelers)
3.Ted Thompson(Packers)
4.Mickey Loomis(Saints******)
5.Jerry Reese(Giants)
6.Andy Reid(Eagles)
7.Ozzie Newsome(Ravens)
8.A.J Smith(Chargers)
9.Bill Polian(Colts)
10.Thomas Dimitroff(Falcons)
11.Jerry Angelo(Bears)-recent drafts are very bad
12.Marty Hurney(Panthers)

All of those teams pretty much built their teams and relied heavily on the draft. Biggest playmakers signed in free agency that led to Super Bowl wins were Charles Woodson in Green Bay and Drew Brees in New orleans. You have to remember the teams who draft well and can retain their own don't have cap space to go and out spend on pricey free agents vs the other teams who don't fare so well in the draft.

For more on that check this very informative site out http://www.profootba...sembled-charts/ (thanks jawnyblaze)

In closing unless we can steal one of those elite guys somehow, we have a very slim chance of finding a stud to replace Hurney. Yes Baalke looks good right now and Grigson and Elway may turn out to be something but history is not kind to many new GM's over the past 10 years. Decosta gets rave reviews but he's paid very well and is the heir apparent to Newsome in Baltimore.
So while I do not find Hurney to be part of the elite crowd, I do think he is well above average even with the Armanti and even worse Everette Brown wasted draft picks. He is at a point where he is running out of excuses if we don't make some major strides in the next 2 seasons but theres plenty of reason to believe that we will be a playoff contender as soon as this season and hopefully much more in the years to come.

And yes I am hypocrite for posting another new Hurney thread. Sorry about that.

#1896773 Josh Norman

Posted by panther4life on 11 September 2012 - 11:22 PM

Norman def. got the start and was our official # 2.

Heres some pff stats for those interested.

Gamble 67 snaps
Norman 50 snaps
Munnerlyn 34 snaps

Norman allowed 3 catches on 3 targets for 28 yards- 1 vs Mike williams for 6 yards and 2 against v-jax for 22 yards.
Gamble allowed 1 catch on on 4 targets for 6 yards-Williams caught 1 of 2 for 6 yards, v-jax was 0-2 againt Gamble
Munnerlyn allowed 1 catch on 3 targets for 2 yards- Doug martin got the reception, parker and v-jax both went 0-1

The rest came against linebackers and safeties
Anderson was allowed 3 catches on 3 targets for 12 yards
Kuechly allowed 3 catches on 3 targets for 31 yards-Lorig was 2 for 2 for 20 yards and Martin was 1-1 for 11 yards
Beason allowed 1 catch on 1 target for for 4 yards V-Jax got the reception for 4 yards
Davis allowed 1 catch on 1 target for -1 yard-Lorig got the reception but Davis dropped him for a loss of 1 yard

Godfrey allowed 2 catches on 2 targets for 35 yards-Clark 1-1 for 33 yards and Blount 1-1 for 2 yards
Nakumara allowed 1 catch on 1 target for 21 yards-This single reception/target went to V-jax for 21 yards

Tampa's first pick Barron gave up 91 yards btw
65 to Lafell who caught 3 of 3 targets against him and Olsen caught 2 of 3 targets against him for 26 yards
Murphy was 0-1 for against him. All that combined gave Cam a 153.3 passer rating when targeting Barron

#1894844 So much irony in yesterdays loss.

Posted by panther4life on 10 September 2012 - 04:49 PM

The biggest fears the huddle had collectively had nothing to do with our loss.

Secondary-The consensus was we may be in trouble here, because outside of Gamble everything else was a question mark at best. Well they actually did a damn good job compared to what we were all bracing for. Freeman finished with 138 yards on 24 pass attempts and his best receiver had less yards than our top 4. Thats right V-Jax had only 46 yards and Olsen had 56. Murphy and Lafell were in the 60's and Smith had over 100 on the day.

Run Defense- We kept them to 3.6 YPC and 0 touchdowns. Also had a nice goal line stance as well.

Interior pass rush/D-line as whole- Dwan got himself a sack and Hardy as well on the outside. Alexander batted down a couple passes as well at the LOS. The last 3 many expected production from on the D-line.

Special teams coverage- Aside from the mistake made by Munnerlyn, they did a great job at limiting returns and many were deathly afraid of that being an issue. I saw Onatulu show up on a few occasions and Rivera mentioned the newly traded for safety by name in his press conference.

The Buc's secondary- This was thought to be a strength of theirs but in reality was the least of our worries. Cam spread the ball around well and had 4 receiving threats get over 55 yards, in spite of the obvious fact that we were passing the ball on most downs and did not even attempt to hide it.

Then we were likely over confident in this area.

Our run game- Williams and Tolbert had 7 carries combined and we had 0 success with any of them. This was thought to be a place where we would dominate pre-game, even with Stewart being out, but no go. I don't personally blame Williams or Tolbert for this one, as not even Barry Sanders could have danced his way out of this shitty read option runs with 8-9 men collapsing on him with only 5 blocking.

That was a classic case of Fox Ball at its finest. They completely shocked the poo out of our coaching staff on the first drive and we had no answer for it until after half time.

They dominated the Time of possession and held onto the ball an entire quarter's worth more than they let us have it.

Our average starting field postion was on our own 21 and that includes the wasted return by Adams that had us on the buc's 41 yard line to start.
After the first half they played that conservative not to lose garbage most of us grew to hate under Fox's tenure here. Damn if didn't work too. They made 0 mistakes but did nothing worth a damn in the 2nd half on the offensive side of the ball.

I mean how the fug does any team hold the other to 10 rushing yards, completely own the time of possession, win the turnover battle 2-0, block a punt and only win by 6 points. Well thats the def. of Fox ball.

So kudos to the buc's for having a game plan and executing it as well as I have ever seen Fox ball done, nothing flashy but it got them the only stat that count's and thats a W.

So perhaps the most ironic thing of all about yesterdays loss was the better coaching staff. Yes we got out coached yesterday by a rookie head coach thats used to coaching college football in New Jersey. Of all the things nobody saw coming, this had to be the biggest single surprise of the day.

#1890772 RGIII is on his way to beating Cams opening record

Posted by panther4life on 09 September 2012 - 12:56 PM

That first drive was embarrassing for the Saints*. Screen play after screen play after screen play, and they couldn't stop it. Then RG3 has added to that now with 2 good TD passes and 1 other pass where he evaded pressure and found someone downfield on the opposite sideline.

Yes his stats are inflated from the screen plays but he is looking damn impressive.

#1887811 Classic trap game

Posted by panther4life on 06 September 2012 - 08:29 PM

Don't waste your time, he won't be back..A quick google search proves it.


#1883708 Terrell McClain waived by Panthers

Posted by panther4life on 03 September 2012 - 03:38 PM

Your pretty naive if you think on the field issues were not at play here.

fixed that for you.

#1883334 Name 1 cut that turned out to be a bad decision(op updated with responses)

Posted by panther4life on 03 September 2012 - 08:44 AM

Can anyone name a player we cut in the last 10 years that came back to haunt us? Has there ever been a time where history has proven we cut the wrong guy in the last 10 years? Can you think of any players that went on to have a successful career after being cut by us in the last 10 years?

Once you get done with your google searches and come to realize its never happened can you please explain the uproar over Mcclain?

EDIT just so nobody misses it:

Jovan Haye DT ended up starting for bucs and played well against us.

Tony Brown and Jovan Hayte off the top of my head. Both went elsewhere and contributed much more than they did here.

Evan Mathis, pro-bowl guard.

John Kasay, tony brown, jarrett bush,

Evan Mathis would complete our line right now. Wish we had him over hangman.

tony brown, jarret bush, rashard butler?

Tony brown, the guy was a beast all through training camp and preseason and then he goes to the titans and starts for a long time on a pretty good defense

You guys named a bunch of players that would have never contributed to the roster they were cut from. Yes some of these guys bounced from a few teams and put together a few good seasons collectvely, but we can't just stash players on our roster for years at a time until we have an acutal use for them and hope they have developed by then.

Hell we could have had 90% of the players just by picking them up off waivers or signing them after being cut by other teams.

Javon Haye Wiki http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Jovan_Haye

"Carolina Panthers
Haye was drafted by the Carolina Panthers in the sixth round of the 2005 NFL Draft. He only played two games for the Panthers and was cut on September 2, 2006.
[edit] Cleveland Browns

Haye was signed by the Cleveland Browns on September 3, 2006. On September 12, 2006 he was released, but was signed to Browns practice squad on September 14, 2006.
[edit] Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Haye was signed by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on October 25, 2006. In his first season with the Bucs he played in nine games and recorded 17 tackles. In 2007 he became a full-time starter for the Bucs, starting all 16 games. He finished the season with 68 tackles and six sacks. In 2008 he started 14 of 15 games, recording 33 tackles and no sacks.
[edit] Tennessee Titans

On March 2, 2009, Haye agreed to a four-year, $16 million contract with the Tennessee Titans. He was waived on August 29, 2011.
[edit] Detroit Lions

On December 9, 2011 Haye signed with the Detroit Lions. Four days later, On December 13, 2011 He was released by the Detroit Lions.[1]
[edit] Second Stint with Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Haye resigned with the Buccaneers on December 19, 2011"
So Haye had 1 good year as a starter but he was not going to unseat Kris Jenkins and do that here

Tony Brown

"So Brown developed some consistency with the Titans. His numbers are no better than what Neblett put in half the snaps last year or Damione Lewis or Kris Jenkins did when we cut him in favor of them

Evan Mathis
"Carolina Panthers (20052007)So Mathis goes and spends 3 years with the bengals and does essentially nothing and has 7 starts over 3 years. Meanwhile we had Wharton, then he finally has a hell of a year in 2011. He was available at this point so we could have had him. Now we Amini who I would say looks likes he off to a much better career start than Mathis.

#1882776 Rivera weighs in on Dwan Edwards and Terell Mcclain moves.

Posted by panther4life on 02 September 2012 - 04:00 PM


Other good stuff in the video too
On Dwan Edwards
"I think Dwan Edwards gives us something we've been looking for and didn't see in training camp and thats a dominant force at the 3 tech. We had a couple guys that were young and learning and trying to devlop in and trying to come back from situatiions and we didnt see what we were looking for. What Dwan brings is to the table is he's a big physical guy who is exlplosive off the ball and gets vertical push and hes veteran guy that a lot of the guys already know."

On Mcclain
"Like I said you know we were looking for a guy that woul push for us, give us a little bit more a vertical push. Terrel's a different style player than we believe we found in Dwan.".

#1882500 Terrell McClain waived by Panthers

Posted by panther4life on 02 September 2012 - 12:45 PM

mcclain > fua....wtf hurney

Hurney tried calling you several times to you get your opinion.Fug if only you had answered your phone he would have known better.

#1882449 Terrell McClain waived by Panthers

Posted by panther4life on 02 September 2012 - 11:54 AM

You have been spot on in this whole ordeal my friend. I do not know what the majority of us here think good DT play looks like. Really glad that the FO does not share the same backwards opinions as those on this board.

Thank you. I have said it a million times before and its 100% true that when watching live you follow the football and get caught up in the emotions of the game. When you go back and watch a 2nd time when your not emotionally invested then you can critique each individual much more objectively.. I have been doing this a lot lately. I reccomend everyone do it. The board will be smarter and more appreciative of the front office decisions if they do.

#1882409 Terrell McClain waived by Panthers

Posted by panther4life on 02 September 2012 - 11:32 AM

Some of you guys are so fickle. Complain 24/7 about no interior pass rush from the line, then they do something to address it, you cry about that too.

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