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#3037022 My biggest worry about Gettleman

Posted by MHS831 on Yesterday, 11:45 AM

Good question, Mr. Scot

 

I see it this way--Hurney's spending spree in 2011 had lasting impact, since the contracts were largely guaranteed and about 4 years long.  That has kept us from bringing in quality free agents and has actually caused us to lose existing players because we could not afford to retain them. 

 

A director is only as good as his actors. If the movie sucks, it can be for many reasons, but if the acting sucks, there is no need to look past that.  If you can't compete in free agency because you are paying players no longer on the roster or those who spend more time on the sideline than between them, it is difficult to win.  What Hurney did with contracts (starting with jake Delhomme) reeked of desperation and an inferiority complex--it was as if he thought he had to overpay to make Charlotte attractive.  Those contracts remained when he was fired--we are still dealing with them, both directly and indirectly.  For example, nobody is talking about Gross this year because he retired and lost 100 lbs.  HOWEVER, go back to when Gettlemen cut his contract (out of necessity).  Had that NOT been done and he was still being paid at fair market, might he have waited one more year or two before quitting? I think he might have.  Blame Gettlemen?  Stupid, especially when Stewart is making $200k per week riding a stationary bike. 

 

Gettlemen's nightmare is cleaning Hurney's crap off the floor, which explains why Cam is still not signed and why Hardy was not given the keys to the kingdom like CJ was.  He knows (first hand) how crippling these megadeals can be.  We all think Cam is worth the $24million, but he is a tough read.  I think he will be great with a line and some stud WRs--however, is his inconsistent play a red flag?  How good is he when the defense is not stellar?  Can he carry a team?  These are questions he must ask that will determine the fate of this team for the next 5 years or so.  A bad decision, we become the Rams or the Bills.

 

How many positions have been altered by the ridiculous contracts Hurney signed in 2011?  I would say the OL, WR, DL, and secondary have been profoundly impacted. Our secondary is full of late-rounders, old guys, nomadic free agents, etc.  That is understandable when we are paying players to ride bikes and make $740lk per week while being suspended.  But the problem at those positions is also HURNEY.  Answering these questions explains how:

 

Aside from Kalil in 2008, name the best OL Hurney signed or drafted who would reasonably be expected to contribute to the OL today?   Silatolu in the second round is the best answer.  Before that, Otah.  Not a great record if you ask me.

 

WR is worse.  Name a WR Marty Hurney brought in via free agency or draft that is contributing in a positive manner on this or another NFL team?

 

Look at MH's record at defensive back.  Who did he ever bring in after Chris Gamble and maybe Richard Marshall?  (Godfrey, Sherrod Martin, Nakamura, and a bunch of day 3 draft picks).

 

Nowhere did he show his incompetence more than at DT.  Fua, McClain? Who else?  

 

 

 

So, not only did Gettlemen have to deal with -$16m in cap room and some idiotic contracts, he inherited a team that was not building depth at key positions.  We are now feeling the effect of not having players that were being developed.  People are criticizing Gettlemen for filling in the gaps with paste and Elmer's, but where is the foundation?

 

We don't have the cast at key positions.  One-year contracts are the only way to fill them with warm bodies until the cap crap MH created is behind us.  However, when you are building this way-weathering the storm--you need consistency somewhere.  Rivera and his staff have done pretty well considering just how bad Marty Hurney was if you step back and look at the last 2 seasons.  Fire them and you create total chaos in the organization. 

 

 




#3037020 My biggest worry about Gettleman

Posted by MHS831 on Yesterday, 11:45 AM

Good question, Mr. Scot

 

I see it this way--Hurney's spending spree in 2011 had lasting impact, since the contracts were largely guaranteed and about 4 years long.  That has kept us from bringing in quality free agents and has actually caused us to lose existing players because we could not afford to retain them.  Take Gross, for instance.  We cut his salary out of necessity.  If we could have allowed him to play at market value, he may have stayed for another year.  Wharton did not see the financial sense to remain.  So the ripple effect from Hurney's idiotic spending spree three years ago continues to keep the team in a strangle hold.  Money to Beason, Williams, Stewart, Johnson, etc.  is still causing problems.

 

A director is only as good as his actors. If the movie sucks, it can be for many reasons, but if the acting sucks, there is no need to look past that.  If you can't compete in free agency because you are paying players no longer on the roster or those who spend more time on the sideline than between them, it is difficult to win.  What Hurney did with contracts (starting with jake Delhomme) reeked of desperation and an inferiority complex--it was as if he thought he had to overpay to make Charlotte attractive.  Those contracts remained when he was fired--we are still dealing with them, both directly and indirectly.  For example, nobody is talking about Gross this year because he retired and lost 100 lbs.  HOWEVER, go back to when Gettlemen cut his contract (out of necessity).  Had that NOT been done and he was still being paid at fair market, might he have waited one more year or two before quitting? I think he might have.  Blame Gettlemen?  Stupid, especially when Stewart is making $200k per week riding a stationary bike. 

 

Gettlemen's nightmare is cleaning Hurney's crap off the floor, which explains why Cam is still not signed and why Hardy was not given the keys to the kingdom like CJ was.  He knows (first hand) how crippling these megadeals can be.  We all think Cam is worth the $24million, but he is a tough read.  I think he will be great with a line and some stud WRs--however, is his inconsistent play a red flag?  How good is he when the defense is not stellar?  Can he carry a team?  These are questions he must ask that will determine the fate of this team for the next 5 years or so.  A bad decision, we become the Rams or the Bills.

 

How many positions have been altered by the ridiculous contracts Hurney signed in 2011?  I would say the OL, WR, DL, and secondary have been profoundly impacted. Our secondary is full of late-rounders, old guys, nomadic free agents, etc.  That is understandable when we are paying players to ride bikes and make $740lk per week while being suspended.  But the problem at those positions is also HURNEY.  Answering these questions explains how:

 

Aside from Kalil in 2008, name the best OL Hurney signed or drafted who would reasonably be expected to contribute to the OL today?   Silatolu in the second round is the best answer.  Before that, Otah.  Not a great record if you ask me.

 

WR is worse.  Name a WR Marty Hurney brought in via free agency or draft that is contributing in a positive manner on this or another NFL team?

 

Look at MH's record at defensive back.  Who did he ever bring in after Chris Gamble and maybe Richard Marshall?  (Godfrey, Sherrod Martin, Nakamura, and a bunch of day 3 draft picks).

 

Nowhere did he show his incompetence more than at DT.  Fua, McClain? Who else?  

 

 

 

So, not only did Gettlemen have to deal with -$16m in cap room and some idiotic contracts, he inherited a team that was not building depth at key positions.  We are now feeling the effect of not having players that were being developed.  People are criticizing Gettlemen for filling in the gaps with paste and Elmer's, but where is the foundation?

 

We don't have the cast at key positions.  One-year contracts are the only way to fill them with warm bodies until the cap crap MH created is behind us.  However, when you are building this way-weathering the storm--you need consistency somewhere.  Rivera and his staff have done pretty well considering just how bad Marty Hurney was if you step back and look at the last 2 seasons.  Fire them and you create total chaos in the organization. 

 

 




#3033378 time to switch things around

Posted by MHS831 on 20 October 2014 - 02:42 PM

captin , gamble and mitchell should be our secoundary but gettlemans a damn liberal

 

He turk our jobs!




#3032373 the official "Dave Gettleman fuging sucks" thread

Posted by MHS831 on 20 October 2014 - 06:19 AM

If you are blaming Gettlemen for this mess, you don't understand football or the NFL.

 

Last year, we were solid at both ends and had a decent ss, so we could stop the run in the nickel--to hide the fact that our CBs sucked.  Things beyond Gettlemen's control took over--he could not match the offers given by Pittsburgh or Minnesota to our DBs.  He could not foresee Hardy's situation. 

 

At T, the coaching staff felt good about Bell and Chandler and Williams.  They were wrong, not Gettlemen.  With a mobile QB, some might say that the T position is devalued a bit here, but when Gettlemen did not foresee Cam's lack of mobility due to injury, this gamble did not pay off.




#3031939 Andrew Norwell Impresses

Posted by MHS831 on 19 October 2014 - 09:51 PM

I can say that I watched Norwell (I was an OL coach in HS, so I have an interest) and I was impressed. We are set moving forward at G.  I might even start looking at Trai Turner at C in the event we have to move Kalil for salary cap reasons. 

 

Foucault was not impressive, IMO.  He was in at LT, but he was timid and not aggressive.  I watched him about 3 plays, so I could be wrong. 

 

We were terrible at T today, and we have been below average there all season.

 

Horton, DeCoud, Harper, and Godfrey were also terrible today and I would not be sad if all were waived.  I have not read other comments yet, so I am interested to see if anyone agrees with me.




#3029165 Official Panthers - Packers Gameday Thread

Posted by MHS831 on 19 October 2014 - 01:59 PM

I seriously have no idea what in the f*ck DG's philosophy is. Signed garbage this offseason and to add salt to injury he gave most 2 year deals. So either they stay or we'll just have more dead money an people will keep blaming Hurney

 

Get out from under the cap idiocy MH put us in by sifting through the garbage bin for talent.  Hurney's effect is still here--people forget it because we had success last year.  While he found some talent in the bin last year (Gin, Mitchell, etc), he did not this year, obviously. 




#3026657 Ramifications for Hardy

Posted by MHS831 on 19 October 2014 - 09:43 AM

Rice has a strong case.  Still, he has to be signed by someone.  The Ravens released him.




#3004918 I absolutely NEED this Cam Shirt

Posted by MHS831 on 07 October 2014 - 09:28 PM

Watch your filthy mouth, the only ugly thing about it is that it hasn't arrived at my house yet.

 

Seriously, if you order it, you have to post a pic.
 




#3003535 Cam thrives in the No huddle

Posted by MHS831 on 06 October 2014 - 09:23 PM

Have not read the entire thread, but I think the biggest reason the no huddle is effective is it gives Cam a chance to read the defense.  It seems in the past Cam was more focused on starting motions and getting the snap before the clock expired than he was he defense.  Not sure about this, just a thought.




#2980687 I Can't Wait For Game Time

Posted by MHS831 on 28 September 2014 - 07:16 AM

I hope we knock Smitty back to his childhood.




#2979614 All of a sudden, 89 getting all the love....

Posted by MHS831 on 26 September 2014 - 10:06 PM

How and the fug can you be this blind to what Smith gave this organization. He could have signed elsewhere for more money with a high powered offense that would have gave him a huge statistic boost and probably even a chance at a ring, but instead he stayed with the Panther's through many QB and coach changes. He wanted to be a Panther for life, but was kicked out. He was the epitome of a team player. Without Smith we wouldn't have played in the Superbowl, and wouldn't have even sniffed the NFC championship games.

 

It's fuging ridiculous how everyone seems to forget before game our offense was largely on Smith's back.

 

Let me get this straight--anyone who does not see Smith from your perspective is blind? 

 

He was kicked out because it would have cost the team a boat load of money.  Even your description of what Smitty could have done was about Smitty--he wanted to keep his family in Charlotte.  That is not a team decision.  The epitome of a team player?  Ask Bright and Lucas about that.  Ask Clausen when Smitty bashed him in the press. 

 

You obviously do not know what  "team player" means.  You describe a good player, but not once did you describe a TEAM player. 

 

Have you ever met Smitty?  He is an ASS.  Have you ever watched a practice when he was out there?  I watched about 3, and the only teammate who talked to Smitty was Kasay.  They others pretty much avoided him.  Team player?  Not close.




#2979604 All of a sudden, 89 getting all the love....

Posted by MHS831 on 26 September 2014 - 10:00 PM

Its not like he selflessly and enthusiastically blocked for our running backs or anything, when most big-shot wideouts refused to do so.

 

So blocking makes him a team player?  What about comments he made about not helping teammates at WR because they were the competition, throwing teammates under the bus in the media, and--oh yeah, sucker punching 2 teammates when they were not looking. 

 

Go team.




#2979440 All of a sudden, 89 getting all the love....

Posted by MHS831 on 26 September 2014 - 06:01 PM

89 was a jerk when he was here, and he is still a jerk.  He is the best player in Panther history-emphasis on the word HISTORY.  He was never a team player.  It impacted our offense in negative ways you can't see from the bleachers. 

 

He is 35 and has a year or two left---I get it.  Paying him the remainder of his contract to stay here--I don't get.




#2965729 Panthers expected to active Darrin Reaves from practice squad.

Posted by MHS831 on 20 September 2014 - 01:03 PM

Hopefully we don't have to use him!
Also, this must mean our vet WRs are on the optimistic side of questionable.

 

Or DW is on the pessimistic side of questionable.




#2965720 You want to get fired up for Sunday night?

Posted by MHS831 on 20 September 2014 - 12:53 PM

Charlotte is getting loaded with people from areas where the mills are now shut down.  They move down here like locusts looking for work, and instead of transferring their loyalties to the area that now feeds them because we know how to sustain an economy, they cling to the past glory days. 

 

The best way to shut them up is on the scoreboard.






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