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#3141335 Ok, now I want to see the movie.

Posted by PhillyB on Today, 03:13 AM

phenomenal marketing ploy? "cancel" it and get the buzz going and then offer an 11th hour lift on the ban and see massive profits?

#3141007 Wednesday Cam Update: He Throws.

Posted by PhillyB on Yesterday, 08:39 PM

got off the plane in baltimore, walked through the terminal and the first thing i saw was cam throwing in practice on espn. dropped all my poo and watched. logged onto the huddle and saw an SCP smack thread.


happy holidays everyone!

#3140984 Bears benching Cutler, starting Clausen

Posted by PhillyB on Yesterday, 08:29 PM

god i wish he had started last week and torched the taints. that would've made up for the entirety of that horrible 2010 season

#3138727 The guy dressed as Car Crash Cam in the stadium...who was it?

Posted by PhillyB on 16 December 2014 - 05:38 AM

actually his other costumes kind of make up for it









#3138689 Why are so many Muslims violent in the modern era?

Posted by PhillyB on 16 December 2014 - 01:21 AM

Anywho let me offer something of actual substance instead of sniping at poor pstall all the time (pstall, you are still welcome to my bar any time for an IPA, even if your free-thinky schtick is naked and I rag on you for it.)
1) To address stirs, as much as I think you're bundled up in your persecution complex (in fact read this article by noted christian don miller about persecution complexes in christianity and then get back to me) I do see where you're coming from. This subform is often dominated by posts ragging on Christianity, but seldom to threads about Islam come up and when they do you see plenty of the same people screaming to LEAVE THE MUZZIES ALOAN!!! So based on impressions I think you bring up a valid point.
The problem is it ignores the fact that we come from a cultural context of Christianity being the dominant religious system. I imagine if you transplanted a bunch of secular Huddlers to Saudi Arabia you'd have countless threads excoriating Islam for its civil rights abuses, sexism, and political acts of terrorism and only one or two mentions of Christianity. You can't divorce these discussions from their context. Our overwhelming experience is with Christian belief systems, Christian belief structures, Christian history, Christian political motives, and Christians themselves. This is the definition of a bias (our annoyance by it is shaped by our contact with it) but that bias is understandable in the same way a Christian's bias towards Christians is understandable when he's lived his or her whole life among them and is one of them.
Also, consider that no one is offering defenses of terrorism, only the notion that all Muslims are terrorists (a healthy suspicion which is carried by people like you and G5 and is evident in the source material that you let slip onto this forum.) If 1 billion people on this planet were all terrorists, we'd all be dead. It's an absurd enough assertion that I think the same people sneaking in to defend Islam against the accusation would turn around and slap down anyone stupid enough to suggest that "Christianity is a religion of violence" based on an abortion bombing.
Lastly, the reason you see people bringing up Christianity almost immediately in this thread in response is simply because with Christianity as our dominant context, we often become blind to it. Sometimes contrasting your own familiar practices with the practices of others is the best method to understand the latter. When we bring up IRA bombings it's not to make a false equivalency between Christian and Muslim violence in terms of raw numbers, but to illustrate that the environments that produce terrorist acts are dominantly political, not religious.
2) Let me illustrate that last point a little better, the one about understanding your own culture by analyzing it through the lens of another. For some fun (for everyone!) reading, here's a famous (and absolutely hilarious) article by Ralph Linton, called "Body Rituals Among the Nacirema." You'll do yourself a solid by reading it. Here's a few paragraphs:


The daily body ritual performed by everyone includes a mouth-rite. Despite the fact that these people are so punctilious about care of the mouth, this rite involves a practice which strikes the uninitiated stranger as revolting. It was reported to me that the ritual consists of inserting a small bundle of hog hairs into the mouth, along with certain magical powders, and then moving the bundle in a highly formalized series of gestures.

In addition to the private mouth-rite, the people seek out a holy-mouth-man once or twice a year. These practitioners have an impressive set of paraphernalia, consisting of a variety of augers, awls, probes, and prods. The use of these objects in the exorcism of the evils of the mouth involves almost unbelievable ritual torture of the client. The holy-mouth-man opens the client's mouth and, using the above mentioned tools, enlarges any holes which decay may have created in the teeth. Magical materials are put into these holes. If there are no naturally occurring holes in the teeth, large sections of one or more teeth are gouged out so that the supernatural substance can be applied. In the client's view, the purpose of these ministrations is to arrest decay and to draw friends. The extremely sacred and traditional character of the rite is evident in the fact that the natives return to the holy-mouth-men year after year, despite the fact that their teeth continue to decay.



If you're a lazy fug and don't want to have any fun, here's the spoiler:





3) Now that we've exposed our endemic biases towards Christians, let's talk about biases towards Muslims. As stated earlier, I think stirs brings up a good point… it's just that he does it inadvertently. It's borne of his own suspicions and mistrust of other people and cultures. But the fact is "enlightened" western thinkers have a bad habit of making the Other into this object which needs to be saved. My own discipline, anthropology, has been at the forefront of this. The discipline was the daughter of colonialism; its roots were formed in attempting to study the colonized Others in order to better understand (read: subjugate) them. This discipline was born in the ideas about essentialism, which I discussed in another thread that you should read (it's the idea that people are inherently different by way of genetics, an idea that's been refuted by scientists under the realization of psychic unity since the late 19th century, but still peddled by neo-nazis, charles murray, and madhatter today.)


Once social scientists realized that colonization was a douchey thing, they basically reversed position and over the course of the 20th century decided to take up defense of the "subaltern" which basically means standing up for people oppressed by positions of power. The problem with that is, the social scientists, representing academia, end up unwittingly weilding power of their own and becoming only slightly different from the imperialists they attempt to subvert. You see this in the ridiculous idea that when we modernize it's called "progress" but when the Other modernizes we call it OH FUG SAVE THE CULTURE BEFORE IT DIES!!!!! This is an inherent bias and when it's exposed it makes us look like ivory tower libby lib lib hypocrits (maybe pstall was right.) The point of all this being, social science and wider academia's self-reflexive urges to step away from being douches to non-christianized civilization like it historically has been has maybe jarred a few things loose, and made us hesitant to go after Islam where we're perfectly content going after Christianity. For the reasons listed in the first two points I don't think that's the case here - Cat obviously had no problem pointing it out - but it's worth considering.


Interestingly these realizations, prominent in academia as they have become over the past two decades or so, have revitalized attempts to think critically about true objectivity (if such a thing is possible) in the social sciences, adopting a more international and global perspective, and you're seeing shifts towards a new examination of Christianity, which has for the longest time been a queasy subject for the discipline which has never quite known how to treat it since separating from it in the past century. You see it in internet culture, too. This sentiment is becoming common (GRP posted against New Atheism not that long ago, read it)






4) A final point going off all these things: as discussed by plenty of others, terrorism is a political act, not a religious act. Religion is the vehicle. The reason Islam is disproportionately violent (by a loooong stretch, let's be honest) is not because Islam is inherently violent but because people with political causes to be violent have adopted a late iron age religious text to suit their means. Hardly a defense of radical Islam or the cosmogonies of Muslims (they too are Moasic, and we know how I feel about Mosaic cosmogonies, right Tantric Ninja) it's an offensive on the misappropriation of human behavior.


The reason it matters in the real world is because these perceptions about Islam are absolutely instrumental in allowing wars of hegemony to continue under the American flag. If you view Islam as a threat to world peace there's not a goddamn thing that'll stop you from approving Obomber from droning the fug out of goat farmers and suggesting we just nuke 'em all hyuk hyuk. 


Lastly, go back to the Nacirema article. We've flipped our own culture on its head and examined it the way we examine the Other. What happens if you do the same with our military and military culture here in America? If someone described to you an army of soldiers, willing to fight to the death, furious at the dehumanized Other, willing to shoot and kill children if it means surviving, backed by a civilian force that rains holy prayers upon its warriors asking its god to keep them safe from harm (aka kill the enemy), grouped in worship rooms arm-in-arm performing religion chants of worship towards the deity before battle, believing that their deity has a plan for each of their lives and that he will guide them in their battlefield performance, whispering religious prayers before battle and living and dying under the impending eternal rewards of heaven, would you think we're talking about Muslim terrorists or Christian soldiers?


Because honestly I can't tell the difference.

#3138654 Saudi Arabia is responsible for global oil war

Posted by PhillyB on 16 December 2014 - 12:27 AM

i wish i was more knowledgable about global economics like some of you guys are… i can't keep pace in threads like these. do any of you have good consistent info sources where you follow stuff like this?

#3138650 Why are so many Muslims violent in the modern era?

Posted by PhillyB on 16 December 2014 - 12:24 AM

Terms like "radicals" or "terrorists" are terms used to delegitimize an adversary.


yup, it's a word used to incur knee-jerk responses that lack insight… like the fact that if you were the british government in the 18th century, george washington was a bloodthirsty terrorist who wrote in his nasty terrorist prayer journal in campaigns against The Troops, who are our heroes and looked out for by Almighty God

#3138647 Why are so many Muslims violent in the modern era?

Posted by PhillyB on 16 December 2014 - 12:19 AM

get ready for a "back in my acid days" reference to hipness and streets smarts as well as a few quips about word salads

#3138238 GDT: Who Dat? Da Bears, Dat Who!

Posted by PhillyB on 15 December 2014 - 09:23 PM

Comic Gold brought to you by the saints report



I will NEVER understand how the NFL can have a rule where a ball that TOUCHES THE GROUND can ever be a RECEPTION!



par for the course

#3138021 Why are so many Muslims violent in the modern era?

Posted by PhillyB on 15 December 2014 - 08:21 PM

btw lol @ stirs leaping out of his shorts to man the persecution complex

#3137189 Why are so many Muslims violent in the modern era?

Posted by PhillyB on 15 December 2014 - 12:11 PM

meh… religions are vehicles for political action. terrorism is a political act. bomb goat farmers of any religion and they're likely to become militant, and a monotheistic religion with a history of opposing the west is your surest bet.


that said, the number of muslims committing these acts is infinitesimally small compared to the collective whole.

#3137170 Cleveland's Top 2 CBs Could Be Out This Week

Posted by PhillyB on 15 December 2014 - 12:03 PM


#3136361 Stamina? Don't you talk to me about stamina!

Posted by PhillyB on 14 December 2014 - 10:31 PM


#3136134 Heeerrrreessss Johnny

Posted by PhillyB on 14 December 2014 - 08:25 PM

if there was ever a fuging game where the panthers would panther it up at the worst possible time, this is it. if we let this little shitstalk sprout up and look like a legit nfl passer it will be a top five worst moment in the franchise's history. it'd be up there with brady quinn marching in and opening the bomb bay doors on us. good god the shame.


i don't trust our defense and i don't trust derek anderson and the mike shula field goal show to get it done, as much as i love DA. cam needs to come back.

#3135597 Would You Rather Face Manziel or Hoyer?

Posted by PhillyB on 14 December 2014 - 05:02 PM

i expect our gameplan to allow either of them to throw for record yardage while our offense tries to set field goal records.

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